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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 22, 2013 at 8:36 am
First, there are more important things than temporal physical comfort:
2 Cor 12
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. 9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
Second, with an age of accountability doctrine, the suffering of these children is insignificant in the grand scheme. This is the same as the typical atheist argument that temporal sins are incomparable to eternal suffering.
Romans 8
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 22, 2013 at 8:41 am
Quote:Second, with an age of accountability doctrine, the suffering of these children is insignificant in the grand scheme.
You sir are a dick of the highest order! Would you think it insignificant if it was your child or would you pray to your god to help?
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RE: How can ... kind of thing to happen?
October 22, 2013 at 8:46 am
Because...
< Insert baseless assertion here >
< Insert nonsensical non sequitur here >
< insert bible quote here >
God loves you.
Thanks for playing.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 22, 2013 at 8:52 am
Please don't tell me john has kids, i'd call child protective services
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 22, 2013 at 8:59 am
(This post was last modified: October 22, 2013 at 9:01 am by John V.)
(October 22, 2013 at 8:41 am)StuW Wrote: You sir are a dick of the highest order! Why? What's wrong with the logic? You omitted the next line, regarding atheists' claims that temporal sins are insignificant compared to eternal suffering. Are you saying that position is meritless? If no, how is this not special pleading and an appeal to emotion?
Quote:Would you think it insignificant if it was your child or would you pray to your god to help?
I'd do as Paul did - pray for direct help, but accept "no" if that were the answer.
(October 22, 2013 at 8:46 am)DLJ Wrote: Because...
< Insert baseless assertion here >
< Insert nonsensical non sequitur here >
< insert bible quote here >
God loves you.
Thanks for playing. Sorry, I took OP at his word that he was really asking a question and wanted discussion. If not (and he kudoed your post so I take it he agrees), I'll go.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 22, 2013 at 9:03 am
What does love have to do with an easy life? or even a fair one?
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 22, 2013 at 9:09 am
John has just demonstrated how unimportant and insignificant the suffering of children and women is to the religious crowd. A woman endures a pregnancy and birth to have a baby whose entire existence is pure pain, accompanied by crushing medical bills, putting the rest of the family on the back burner, and unbelievable personal grief. And then the child dies. These are the people who oppose abortion to prevent all this needless pain and Obamacare to help a family through it if they do decide to have the child. And they then tell the family that it's insignificant, and to pray.
It's evil, John. What you are espousing is an evil mindset. Another reminder that if John's god turned out to be real, I'd go to war against it. No earthly genocidal dictator has ever been as bad.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 22, 2013 at 9:17 am
(October 22, 2013 at 8:59 am)John V Wrote: Sorry, I took OP at his word that he was really asking a question and wanted discussion. If not (and he kudoed your post so I take it he agrees), I'll go.
Quoting bible verses does not lead to a discussion or answer my question. Unless of course I was talking about bible verses, which I was not.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 22, 2013 at 9:32 am
(October 22, 2013 at 9:09 am)Zazzy Wrote: John has just demonstrated how unimportant and insignificant the suffering of children and women is to the religious crowd. A woman endures a pregnancy and birth to have a baby whose entire existence is pure pain, accompanied by crushing medical bills, putting the rest of the family on the back burner, and unbelievable personal grief. And then the child dies. These are the people who oppose abortion to prevent all this needless pain 1. You've just demonstrated how unimportant and insignificant life itself is to the atheist crowd.
2. This scenario is a tiny, tiny fraction of abortion. I would accept it as a practical compromise if it meant the end of abortion as routine birth control.
Quote:It's evil, John. What you are espousing is an evil mindset. Another reminder that if John's god turned out to be real, I'd go to war against it. No earthly genocidal dictator has ever been as bad.
So, you think killing a child preemptively is good, but letting the child live and having hope is evil.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 22, 2013 at 9:32 am
Quote:This is the same as the typical atheist argument that temporal sins are incomparable to eternal suffering.
Because it is generally used when trying to demonstrate the idea of sin and hell aren't realistic, whereas these children are real and are demonstrably suffering.
Quote:I'd do as Paul did - pray for direct help, but accept "no" if that were the answer.
I don't like repeating myself so..
Dick.. Highest order of
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