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Jesus was a jew but Titus says Jews aren't to be trusted?
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RE: Jesus was a jew but Titus says Jews aren't to be trusted?
(November 12, 2013 at 8:53 pm)Polaris Wrote: The author of Titus was a Jew as well. It is likely Paul was speaking against those who told the Gentiles that they must be circumcised in order to achieve Salvation as Paul in his letters repeatedly rebuked those who added stipulations for Salvation in contrast to his preaching that Jesus/the Holy Spirit was all that was needed for Salvation.

So according to your theory, a jew wrote hate speech against other jews in a very KKK sort of way? Reread the verses and try to catch the tone. Now overlay that tone over the history of early jewish hatred by Pauline followers.

The Church Fathers

Patristic bishops of the patristic era such as Augustine argued that the Jews should be left alive and suffering as a perpetual reminder of their murder of Christ. Other Church Fathers, such as John Chrysostom went longer in their condemnation. Ephraim the Syrian wrote polemics against Jews in the 4th century, including the repeated accusation that Satan dwells among them as a partner. These writings were directed at Christians who were being proselytized by Jews and who Ephraim feared were slipping back into the religion of Judaism; thus he portrayed the Jews as enemies of Christianity, like Satan, to emphasize the contrast between the two religions, namely, that Christianity was Godly and true and Judaism was Satanic and false. Like John Chrysostom, his objective was to dissuade Christians from reverting to Judaism by emphasizing what he saw as the wickedness of the Jews and their religion.[13][14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianit...tisemitism

If you're claiming that it just a joke, then I can agree, the bible in it's entirety is just a cruel joke.
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RE: Jesus was a jew but Titus says Jews aren't to be trusted?
(November 9, 2013 at 9:59 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Titus 1
1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.


I bet jesus was a nazi skinhead!

Titus was not refering to the Jews persay. There was a belief in the 1st century Christianity that one had to first convert to Judaism (had to be circumsized) before converting to Christianity. The reason for this was because the vast majority of the first century Christians were formally Jews.

Titus is saying (as did Paul) you don't have to be a Jew to become a Christian, and he even goes so far as to say don't trust a 'christian' who holds to legalistic ideals and puts them into their worship.
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RE: Jesus was a jew but Titus says Jews aren't to be trusted?
(November 9, 2013 at 9:59 pm)Brakeman Wrote: I bet jesus was a nazi skinhead!

You "bet?" So, you don't know?

Then YOU can't be trusted.

Well, here's a good bet: Jesus is the only one you can trust.
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RE: Jesus was a jew but Titus says Jews aren't to be trusted?
Jesus wasn't Jewish. His last name was Christ, not Christowitz!
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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RE: Jesus was a jew but Titus says Jews aren't to be trusted?
(November 13, 2013 at 11:12 am)ronedee Wrote:
(November 9, 2013 at 9:59 pm)Brakeman Wrote: I bet jesus was a nazi skinhead!

You "bet?" So, you don't know?

Then YOU can't be trusted.

Well, here's a good bet: Jesus is the only one you can trust.


You do realise that would mean we couldn't trust the bible, right? Or any source that claims he even existed, let alone any claims of his divinity
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