Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down

[Godscreated]

At least we help whatever you perceive the reason why, you shouldn't weep, at least the believers of this world do something about those who are in need. Of course you could be weeping for yourself because you stand around doing nothing.

GC

Is this a general reference to atheists?

Should I remind you what I was doing just over a year ago, GC?

Should I mention the hundred plus hours I did, unpaid, as a student, when we had wild fires in Australia?  Should I mention the stench of the burned corpses, the screams and agony of those I was working with at that time?  Should I mention putting off my expensive studies to help out?

I know what you did and was not referring to you, so please do not be so sensitive to what's said to others who imply that Christians do not do their work because they love the people they work for. Those people want to run down Christian work at all cost. Here's a fact, if Christians and the organisations they work with stopped all work there would be no one to fill the gap, people would not put up the billions Christian organisations spend every year. They would not volunteer there time or pat there way to places around the world. Remember this fact, with Christian organisations putting up all the money (no public tax dollars) we are not pulling away from our countries public needs. Here's another fact the people in need get great medical care, food, water and shelter. We also are some of the first to enter an area, long before any governments arrive. When great disasters such as powerful storms are headed to certain areas the three
organisations I mentioned stage a safe distances but close to the areas that will be effected days before the storms arrive, ready to move in the instant it's safe.
Yes I know many non-believers are hard at work for those in need, only a fool would think otherwise. I appreciate the work you do! I was going to Haiti to work in an Aids hospital but things fell through at the last minute, I was disappointed and never got the opportunity to go again and I would have had to pay my own way.
You and I have had this same conversation before I hope you will remember what was said here next time, you have my respect in your work and I hope that I and other Christians might receive your's. And what is wrong with Christians giving witness to Christ, the one who help inspire them to give up their time and money to help the ones who are in need, remember those workers also represent many, many others who have given their money to be of help. If we do not do these things then governments will and, that means tax dollars will leave the country to help others instead of doing the work they were intended to do at home. That is if the governments will even help and they certainly want be as effective as organisations that put full time effort into readying themselves for disasters. 

My problem in this kind of discussion is many atheist make stupid claims without facts just to try and take down Christianity, they want to shine what they see as a bad light on the good work of Christians, while they sit with their thumbs stuck up you know where, these are sad people that need to be pitted. Then there are the ones like yourself that do good things and don't complain, ones who I have respect for and most likely could be friend with.

GC

[Godscreated]

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At least we help whatever you perceive the reason why, you shouldn't weep, at least the believers of this world do something about those who are in need. Of course you could be weeping for yourself because you stand around doing nothing.

GC

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Oh right... I get paid a pittance working for the developmentally disabled in a not-for-profit environment because I don't believe and I stand around doing nothing. I wake up at 4:30 AM every morning so I can walk to the transit station at 6 AM to take the bus across town to work because I'm doing nothing. I volunteer as a SART advocate because I do nothing. I carry sweaters, handiwipes, toothpaste in my backpack to hand out to people in need because I'm doing nothing.

On this forum alone, we have non-believers who rescue animals... and a doctor, who, possibly to her own detriment, rushed to Africa to take care of her fellow humans. We have teachers and activists and parents; we have people who volunteer as AA sponsors and members of the military. There are scientists and novelists; artists and musicians... all because we all stand around doing nothing.

Fuck you, GC. I know it's not the first time I've said it, and probably won't be the last, but your condescension, arrogance, and total willful ignorance need to be put in their place.

All I have to say is what I replied to Valkyrie, read it please or stay out of a conversation that wasn't pointed toward you, you've set your sensitivity level to low.

GC

[Godscreated]

At least we help whatever you perceive the reason why, you shouldn't weep, at least the believers of this world do something about those who are in need. Of course you could be weeping for yourself because you stand around doing nothing.

GC

*sigh* So when I make donations of (literally blood) and cash it's nothing? How about volunteering time, is that  nothing too?  I admit the charities I support aren't atheist,  just secular.  Must I find one doing work in the name of atheism for it to count?

I didn't say that, my reply wasn't to you, like others here you need to raise your sensitivity level and learn to understand who's being replied to, my reply was about Christians and one atheist.
Read my response to Valkyrie, please.

GC

[Godscreated]

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At least we help whatever you perceive the reason why, you shouldn't weep, at least the believers of this world do something about those who are in need. Of course you could be weeping for yourself because you stand around doing nothing.

GC

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That nonbelievers don't help people is a fantasy adhered to by certain theists who can't deal with the fact that they don't have a monopoly on compassion, generosity, or kindness. They like to point to things they can accomplish because of their overwhelming numbers, and overlook how much more they could do. There are more churches than homeless people in America, if each of them tried to help one homeless person get off the street, there would still be about 100,000 churches left without any homeless person to help. Many of them complain about government welfare when they have the numbers to make it unnecessary if they really wanted to end poverty in America as we know it.  

Atheists are about 2% of the population in America, they could be twice as generous as Christians without having a tenth of their impact. I only wish Christians were as much better than us as they like to think they are.

We do not see ourselves as better in helping people, we help because we care and we do not even consider what others do or do not do, we're to busy doing all the work it take to run such massive operations. In my city 90% of the homeless are feed by Christian organisations and it would be closer to 100% if they would come and take advantage of the gift. Like Christ freely gave of Himself we try and do like wise and give freely of ourselves and the blessings we receive from God. We also attend to the poor within our Christian churches, we can't neglect them now can we. A great deal of those churches you speak of are constantly trying to keep the doors open financially, it benefits the members and those who need the help we can provide, I know this because I belong to one that struggles every year. The Christian churches can't help everyone here and then help those in other countries who receive little to no help from their own countries. There are safe guards set up by the government here to help the homeless, yet the church has to take a huge roll to help these people, why, on our part it's because we care, as for the government and many people in this country selfishness gets in the way of caring, so just remember this we give freely to help others, there is no requirement for us to do so other than to be Christ like. Please read my reply to Valkyrie.

GC

[Joods]

@GC, just remember the "government" you speak of is full of religiturds. They bring their beliefs straight into their jobs. They are all greedy, money-hungry, assholes who don't really give a damn about the small guy. At least not when they have the backing of major corporations supporting their trips, vacations and nice lifestyles.

The mega churches that are in the US most definitely could take a page from the smaller, struggling churches, but they won't. They don't want to sacrifice the mansions their pastors live in. It's all about image to them.

[The Valkyrie]

@GC, just remember the "government" you speak of is full of religiturds. They bring their beliefs straight into their jobs. They are all greedy, money-hungry, assholes who don't really give a damn about the small guy. At least not when they have the backing of major corporations supporting their trips, vacations and nice lifestyles.

The mega churches that are in the US most definitely could take a page from the smaller, struggling churches, but they won't. They don't want to sacrifice the mansions their pastors live in. It's all about image to them.

The mega-churches, the televangelists, the prosperity gospel advocates.  They're all just parasites taking money off the lonely and the desperate.  They ruin lives and harm people.  For the "faith healers": they're even worse parasites.  They stop people actually seeking medical treatment that can help them and, potentially, save lives.  They are directly responsible for an unknown amount of pain and suffering and death.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Here's a fact, if Christians and the organisations they work with stopped all work there would be no one to fill the gap, people would not put up the billions Christian organisations spend every year. They would not volunteer there time or pat there way to places around the world. Remember this fact, with Christian organisations putting up all the money (no public tax dollars) we are not pulling away from our countries public needs.

This is false.

For fiscal year 2005, more than $2.2 billion in competitive social service grants were awarded to faith-based organizations. Between fiscal years 2003 and 2005, the total dollar amount of all grants awarded to FBOs increased by 21 percent (GAO 2006:43[3]).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hous...ge_W._Bush

Perhaps you should learn more about these things before opining about them?

[Mister Agenda]

*sigh* So when I make donations of (literally blood) and cash it's nothing? How about volunteering time, is that  nothing too?  I admit the charities I support aren't atheist,  just secular.  Must I find one doing work in the name of atheism for it to count?

I didn't say that, my reply wasn't to you, like others here you need to raise your sensitivity level and learn to understand who's being replied to, my reply was about Christians and one atheist.
Read my response to Valkyrie, please.

GC

Have you considered making a list of who you really mean to offend at the end of your posts? It would be so helpful, and it looks like it would save you time in the long run.

Like this: Christians wear funny pants to funerals. I only mean GC.

[JesusHChrist]

Some Christians just seem to feel the overwhelming need to think they are better than The Heathen Masses.

Jesus has to be good for something other than appearing on tortillas or a dog's back side, right?

[Mister Agenda]

That nonbelievers don't help people is a fantasy adhered to by certain theists who can't deal with the fact that they don't have a monopoly on compassion, generosity, or kindness. They like to point to things they can accomplish because of their overwhelming numbers, and overlook how much more they could do. There are more churches than homeless people in America, if each of them tried to help one homeless person get off the street, there would still be about 100,000 churches left without any homeless person to help. Many of them complain about government welfare when they have the numbers to make it unnecessary if they really wanted to end poverty in America as we know it.  

Atheists are about 2% of the population in America, they could be twice as generous as Christians without having a tenth of their impact. I only wish Christians were as much better than us as they like to think they are.

We do not see ourselves as better in helping people, we help because we care and we do not even consider what others do or do not do, we're to busy doing all the work it take to run such massive operations. In my city 90% of the homeless are feed by Christian organisations and it would be closer to 100% if they would come and take advantage of the gift. Like Christ freely gave of Himself we try and do like wise and give freely of ourselves and the blessings we receive from God. We also attend to the poor within our Christian churches, we can't neglect them now can we. A great deal of those churches you speak of are constantly trying to keep the doors open financially, it benefits the members and those who need the help we can provide, I know this because I belong to one that struggles every year. The Christian churches can't help everyone here and then help those in other countries who receive little to no help from their own countries. There are safe guards set up by the government here to help the homeless, yet the church has to take a huge roll to help these people, why, on our part it's because we care, as for the government and many people in this country selfishness gets in the way of caring, so just remember this we give freely to help others, there is no requirement for us to do so other than to be Christ like. Please read my reply to Valkyrie.

GC

The post to which I was replying gives the lie to this statement. If you didn't consider what others do or don't do, we wouldn't even be having this conversation, and you go on to do more bragging about all the wonderful things Christians do in your next breath, while excusing them from doing more in the breath following.

It's a good thing Christians don't see themselves as better at helping people. It's a claim non-Christians would reasonably expect them to live up to. Too bad the same can't be said about you, personally.

There is no requirement for Christians to give freely to help others, other than the requirement for Christians to give freely to help others. Gotcha.