Pro abortion or not

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Its unfortunate that men often have to rely on women's birth control. The situation I mentioned actually happened to a friend and he was devastated. That's why I brought it up. Either way I'm not sure where I stand on abortion as a whole, but I agree with the men choosing atleast.

That's a very sad situation. If there was a way we could take an unwanted foetus out of a pregnant woman and grow it safely elsewhere if the father wanted it, then I would fully support that, and give the mother that same right to sign away her rights to it as I'd like men to have now. However, we can't do that (yet). And if the woman doesn't want to have a baby, and a man does, the only way to currently allow him to have that kid would be to force the woman to go through pregnancy and childbirth against her will, and that is a horrific abuse of her body. Pregnancy isn't some small thing, it causes permanent changes to a woman that shouldn't be forced on her. It could even kill her, you know.

Additionally if he gets to legally make her carry the pregnancy to term because it saddens him (and I'm not trivializing this, just pointing out the obvious), I'm sure it would sadden her to have to carry a child to term if she doesn't want to. I've said earlier in this thread that if a man really wants the child of course he can try to convince the woman to go through with it. But if that fails that's that. I don't support allowing men to dictate whether women can have abortion or not, they have no claim on her body.

[Minimalist]

I don't support allowing men to dictate whether women can have abortion or not,

So...you'll never be a republibertarianeo-conazi it seems!

[Lemonvariable72]

That's a very sad situation. If there was a way we could take an unwanted foetus out of a pregnant woman and grow it safely elsewhere if the father wanted it, then I would fully support that, and give the mother that same right to sign away her rights to it as I'd like men to have now. However, we can't do that (yet). And if the woman doesn't want to have a baby, and a man does, the only way to currently allow him to have that kid would be to force the woman to go through pregnancy and childbirth against her will, and that is a horrific abuse of her body. Pregnancy isn't some small thing, it causes permanent changes to a woman that shouldn't be forced on her. It could even kill her, you know.

Additionally if he gets to legally make her carry the pregnancy to term because it saddens him (and I'm not trivializing this, just pointing out the obvious), I'm sure it would sadden her to have to carry a child to term if she doesn't want to. I've said earlier in this thread that if a man really wants the child of course he can try to convince the woman to go through with it. But if that fails that's that. I don't support allowing men to dictate whether women can have abortion or not, they have no claim on her body.

No one said anything about dictating.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Additionally if he gets to legally make her carry the pregnancy to term because it saddens him (and I'm not trivializing this, just pointing out the obvious), I'm sure it would sadden her to have to carry a child to term if she doesn't want to. I've said earlier in this thread that if a man really wants the child of course he can try to convince the woman to go through with it. But if that fails that's that. I don't support allowing men to dictate whether women can have abortion or not, they have no claim on her body.

No one said anything about dictating.

Your original question was if it's ok for her to have an abortion without letting him know. So I took that to mean without his permission. So my reply is that no I don't think a man gets to say whether or not a woman is allowed to have an abortion. Obviously I didn't mean dictate as in dictating a country, but as in having control over something.

If I misunderstood you, then you're going to have to be clearer than that, because I'm not sure where I did.

[Belac Enrobso]

Somebody just had to open this can of worms, I am officially uninvolved.

My solution to issue however would be to require people to be licensed to have children, and ultimately pay either a hefty fine or hefty tax for if an individual were to have a child without a license.

Crime- greatly reduced
Unwanted pregnancies- greatly reduced
Foster kids- greatly reduced
Outlook of society- looks a little brighter

But since abortion would still exist until this would be enacted, I would have to be pro abortion just for the sake that women should have the decision of what occurs in their bodies. Although I do value human life otherwise with great extent and suggest that women who do not wish to have a child to put the child into foster care.

[Lek]

Pregnancy isn't some small thing, it causes permanent changes to a woman that shouldn't be forced on her. It could even kill her, you know.
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That's why people shouldn't be playing big people's games when they're not ready to accept the consequences. Pregnancy comes with having sex. We don't just have mothers here, but also fathers and children. According to what I read, the mothers don't care about anybody but themselves. Why not think and care about everyone involved? And that goes for fathers too. If you love each other you'll care about each other. I guess the mentality is that we're just like any other animals. What an outlook on life! The more I read this stuff, the more sure I become about my beliefs.

[NoraBrimstone]

That's why people shouldn't be playing big people's games when they're not ready to accept the consequences. Pregnancy comes with having sex. We don't just have mothers here, but also fathers and children. According to what I read, the mothers don't care about anybody but themselves. Why not think and care about everyone involved? And that goes for fathers too. If you love each other you'll care about each other. I guess the mentality is that we're just like any other animals. What an outlook on life! The more I read this stuff, the more sure I become about my beliefs.

You know what other consequences there are to sex? STDs and pubic lice. Is it selfish to treat those, too? They're living things too, you know. When you cure Chlamydia, it's a massacre or those poor defenseless bacteria that you invited in when you chose to have sex. And what about pubic lice? They're just down there thinking about how nice and warm it is in their pants and suddenly BAM, their whole family is dead because someone didn't want them and you abort their little unhatched eggs, too. Poor little crabbies.

Just because pregnancy is a consequence of sex, doesn't mean it shouldn't be treated like an STD if it's not wanted. I care more about myself than a person who doesn't even exist, that's for damn sure. Do you have any idea how offensive it is to tell a person that they are worth less than a brainless clump of cells that are living leeching off of them?

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Pregnancy isn't some small thing, it causes permanent changes to a woman that shouldn't be forced on her. It could even kill her, you know.

That's why people shouldn't be playing big people's games when they're not ready to accept the consequences. Pregnancy comes with having sex. We don't just have mothers here, but also fathers and children. According to what I read, the mothers don't care about anybody but themselves. Why not think and care about everyone involved? And that goes for fathers too. If you love each other you'll care about each other. I guess the mentality is that we're just like any other animals. What an outlook on life! The more I read this stuff, the more sure I become about my beliefs.

You realize that saying things like you just have to accept the consequences is almost like saying nothing, right? As the laws are now, women get to have abortion. You just have to deal with it, you shouldn't try to have sex with women if you cannot accept that in an event of an unwanted pregnancy she might terminate it, you must be able to accept the consequences if you want to play with the big people.

[Belac Enrobso]

Pregnancy isn't some small thing, it causes permanent changes to a woman that shouldn't be forced on her. It could even kill her, you know.

That's why people shouldn't be playing big people's games when they're not ready to accept the consequences. Pregnancy comes with having sex. We don't just have mothers here, but also fathers and children. According to what I read, the mothers don't care about anybody but themselves. Why not think and care about everyone involved? And that goes for fathers too. If you love each other you'll care about each other. I guess the mentality is that we're just like any other animals. What an outlook on life! The more I read this stuff, the more sure I become about my beliefs.

Worst case scenario:

You partake in sex while wearing two condoms, both that have spermicidal fluid inside and outside of the condom. One problem, just as you hit that screaming climax, you bust the biggest LOAD of your life, and the entire front ends of both condoms explode releasing your seed into your partner.
As you know most men shit bricks by the truckloads in this particular situation, but not you, your calm, collected, cool, and semi-hard from the fucking THRILL!
You have an ace up your sleeve. Plan B pills! But wait! You don't have any on you.
So Boeing the calm, cool, collected, semi-hard badass that you are, you go to walgreens to buy some plan B pills, only, THERE FUCKING OUT OF PLAN B PILLS!!!! Now your a little worried but still completely calm, and that semi-hard boner is now flaccid,limp, Vienne sausage, go figure, not all men luck out with genetics. You go up to the font desk and ask the receptionist if they have any more plan B pills in stock, the receptionist says no, 20 other men within the last two hours have came in and bought every last pill in the store. You shrug this off and go to the other drugstore that right down the road, how convenient. You try to find the pills, but there are none. Again you ask the receptionist if they have any pills in stock, they have none. So you hit every other store in town and run into the same problem, nobody has pills, SHIT... now what.
Well you decide to order some with fast shipping Damnit!
You go home, open your sweet ass MacBook Air laptop, save those pornograpgic videos that you and your partner were making, I honestly don't know you think you could have a shot in the porn biz but hey, this is America. You go to the plan B site, try to order some, pills, and guess what, they don't have pills either. You become much more sporadic now as your fingers twitch at the numbers on your cell phone as you fail the number to the Plan B help center, you ask, excuse me, BUT WHY ARE THERE NO FUCKING PLAN B PILLS IN STOCK!
The receptionist then, replies, well sir, there has been a large recall for Lifestyle brand regular condoms( I told you not everyman lucks out with genetics, no shame in that)
due to consistent breaking, stock of plan B pills will be sent out to your nearest store in a week once production catches up with demand. You Fucking SCREAM at the top of your lungs as you throne the phone at the wall and shatter your cellular device.
One week later your partner gets a positive reading on her at home pregnancy test.
What do you do?

[NoraBrimstone]

You should never wear two condoms. lol