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pineapplebunnybounce · December 23, 2013 at 3:31 am

(December 23, 2013 at 3:27 am)savedwheat Wrote: Ok. At the very basest level God would be uncreated, alone from everlasting, and brought nature into existence.

You would need to search before the big bang for this item then. And show that it is the origin. And then you can call it god if you like.

~~savedwheat~~ · (This post was last modified: December 23, 2013 at 3:35 am by savedwheat.)

How would you search before the big bang and show it to believe it?

pineapplebunnybounce · December 23, 2013 at 3:36 am

(December 23, 2013 at 3:34 am)savedwheat Wrote: How would you search before the big bang and show it to believe it?

That's your job if you want to prove the existence of this thing. How would I know?

**Esquilax** · December 23, 2013 at 3:37 am

(December 23, 2013 at 3:34 am)savedwheat Wrote: How would you search before the big bang and show it to believe it?

What's going to happen when we finally reach the question we don't know the answer to? What conclusion will you draw from our eventual admission of ignorance, on this score?

~~savedwheat~~ · December 23, 2013 at 3:42 am

Are you saying nothing will ever convince you?

**Esquilax** · December 23, 2013 at 3:47 am

(December 23, 2013 at 3:42 am)savedwheat Wrote: Are you saying nothing will ever convince you?

No, I'm not. Evidence would convince me. Things that are real necessarily have evidence pointing to them, but so far you've just pointed to the bible, which is a book full of things we know for a fact are wrong.

**Whateverist** · December 23, 2013 at 3:49 am

(December 23, 2013 at 3:27 am)savedwheat Wrote: Ok. At the very basest level God would be uncreated, alone from everlasting, and brought nature into existence.

Yeah .. okay .. but what is that supposed to look like? How can I tell if my wife is uncreated, alone from everlasting (whatever that means) and brough nature into existence. I mean, she did have a life before I met her. Is there anything in your description which can allow me to conclusively rule out my wife as god?

Fidel_Castronaut · December 23, 2013 at 3:49 am

(December 23, 2013 at 2:56 am)savedwheat Wrote: Why do atheists have no burden of proof?

No claims.

Anything else?

~~savedwheat~~ · December 23, 2013 at 3:51 am

I would think that if you existed before time and space and were uncreated (that is, not created) you would be invisible. It seems to follow since you would be outside of nature.

pineapplebunnybounce · December 23, 2013 at 3:52 am

(December 23, 2013 at 3:42 am)savedwheat Wrote: Are you saying nothing will ever convince you?

That is clearly not what I said. Your failure to produce the proof I require isn't the same as my saying nothing will ever convince me.

Try again.

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