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Question for Atheists
RE: Question for Atheists
Hey khan4036,


(February 8, 2014 at 8:13 am)khan4036 Wrote:
(February 8, 2014 at 6:06 am)Alex K Wrote: @khan

So you basically wrote down some piece of teaching from your religion. But how do you know it is so? It's only an assertion, the argument is missing why I should believe it.

Let's set aside my religion for a moment and consider myself to be an atheist.

Okeydokey Wink rhetorical apostasy it is.

Quote:There a lot of secrets buried inside what we see as apparent. Wind ,nature, rain. There a hell lot of things which ask us to ponder over them and to think over the existence of some Supreme authority.
I was completely with you until the last two words, really! There are as you say lots of secrets buried in the word around us, many not apparent at all, and modern science has found out absolutely astonishing things about all these things. No shred of evidence for divine interference, though, but many mind boggling insights into the workings of evolution and the fundamental forces and laws of the cosmos.
Quote:If you think , it becomes clear that universe was definitely created for some reason.
No, really not!
Quote: And we will come close to it on the last day. Does not it make sense to you ?
No
Quote: That our lives are not meaningless.
Of course there is the long discussion about what we mean when we say "meaning". It seems rather clear to me that meaning is an entirely human concept.
Quote: Good and Bad was born simultaneously.
I also think good and bad are human concepts which only exist when we interpret what happens in the world as beneficial or not for some end.
Quote: We are here to perform our deeds. I may be wrong or right. I dont know.
Again, this is just the same assertion again
Quote:Everyday , I wake up in my bed and look outside my window , my first stare sets at the beautiful nature surrounding my house. Then the sky. The birds. THen I feel the wind.
Same here! Add to the list the breathtaking sky above my bedroom windows if there is a clear night.
Quote: I feel as if they all are trying to tell me something.
Or maybe they just are.
Quote:When the birds chirp , I try to decipher what they are trying to say to themselves.
Oh, but they probably do! Birds are pretty smart.
Quote: I m here for something. God is testing me. He has watching over all of my actions.
Assertion again
Quote: And while , I enjoy the beauty around me , m aware that all is Immortal. Universe was meant to end. I hope you are getting me ?
I think you communicate your general feeling of purpose well, and I think I can actually relate to it to a certain extent. I simply suspect very strongly that this feeling of purpose and ultimate meaning is something that happens in our heads, not something that is fundamentally present in nature. We are evolved to identify patterns in what we see, and to identify agency in the world - those were crucial evolutionary advantages which paid off enough to afford an expensive (in terms of energy) large brain. It helps us to identify predators, to live in social groups, to find food efficiently, and to construct tools. Our curiosity and sense of purpose and agency of the world as a whole ("divine" feeling) is probably just a spinoff of this mechanism. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't act on our curiosity and embrace the warm and fuzzy feelings which we get when we behold the wonders of nature, but I don't think we are justified to interpret any deep cosmic meaning into it.

(February 8, 2014 at 11:05 am)whateverist Wrote: "Mine! Get out! Mine!"

"I am fit and capable. Lets fuck."

"Look out!"

"I'm over here. Over here now."


Unlike many people, they know what speaking is for.

ROFLOL
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RE: Question for Atheists
Hey Chas !

What do you think of yourself ? Han? Just because you have a material body of flesh does not mean that you are really something. We are nothing. Despicable. Puppets who are serving their tenure here. Puppets who are guided by their materialistic desires. We Muslims never think of ourselves as some superior creature but we are following the teachings of Muhammad. Before God , we all are equal and nothing as compared to His Authority. This idea is always lingering on our minds. At the same time , Muslims know that they are created as 'Best of the creatures of Universe' by God because there is something different between us and other creatures that exist on this earth.Our lives are more like a tourist in a vast desert who stays under the shade of a tree for few moments for relaxing and then carries on his journey. None of the stay is permanent.


Also , MuslimScholar is wrong about the people who reject religion. In Islam , they don't deserve to be killed. Lives of others are sacred to us and we have no authority to take it. All people have a right to believe what they want to believe and think over the universe. We have been commanded to do the same. But its a sin if any Muslim takes a life of anyone else , be it Muslim or Non Muslim .( Apologies for my harshness,brother)

(February 8, 2014 at 12:02 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote:
Quote:The Quran ( The Holy Book of Islam )

ROFLOL

Sorry. Shouldn't laugh, but that tickled me.

Are there any OTHER Quran's? As in, the quaran the holy book as opposed to the quran the cookery book? Is the clarification necessary?

Sorry. Continue.

Popcorn

There was , is and will be only One Quran. I wrote that in brackets for you guys to let you know what Quran is. Clarification was for you.
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RE: Question for Atheists
Quote:There was , is and will be only One Quran. I wrote that in brackets for you guys to let you know what Quran is. Clarification was for you.

FanksBig Grin. I'm pretty sure everyone here knew what the Quran is (although I'm now fighting a cruel urge to write that cookery book just for shits and giggles. )

Quote:Also , MuslimScholar is wrong about the people who reject religion. In Islam , they don't deserve to be killed. Lives of others are sacred to us and we have no authority to take it. All people have a right to believe what they want to believe and think over the universe. We have been commanded to do the same. But its a sin if any Muslim takes a life of anyone else , be it Muslim or Non Muslim
Interesting. There are quite a lot of corpses around from people who feel differently to you about islam. Are they not true muslims ™?

You know they'd say you have the wrong interpretation right?
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
Sith code
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(February 8, 2014 at 10:57 am)khan4036 Wrote: The evidence m giving is what I experience and believe.

And nobody cares except you. Harsh, perhaps, but why should anyone else consider your personal testimony, let alone your beliefs, even remotely convincing without independent verification? In a word, the one which is to religionists as garlic is to vampires: evidence.

(February 8, 2014 at 10:57 am)khan4036 Wrote: That evidence might not be sufficient for you until you experience it yourself.

Then you already know it is useless as evidence. Would you eat horseshit simply because someone told you they once heard of a person who ate it every day of his life and thrived on it? Now you begin to appreciate why anecdotal evidence by itself is worthless.

(February 8, 2014 at 10:57 am)khan4036 Wrote: Orinthology , the bird science which you suggested was also developed after observing the birds closely. Aristotle in 350 BC in his Historia Animalium noted the habit of bird migration, moulting, egg laying and life spans and introduced and propagated several myths. Still , this science is poor and steadily advancing till they understand fully what the birds really say to each other.

What birds may 'say' to each other is irrelevant; how they behave as a species is all that matters.

(February 8, 2014 at 10:57 am)khan4036 Wrote: The Quran ( The Holy Book of Islam ) has mentioned that the birds praise God continually. Where has Orinthology explained this ?

That's your job. Basic burden of proof.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan Wrote:What do you think of yourself ? Han? Just because you have a material body of flesh does not mean that you are really something. We are nothing. Despicable. Puppets who are serving their tenure here. Puppets who are guided by their materialistic desires.

And they call us nihilists.
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(February 9, 2014 at 12:09 pm)khan4036 Wrote: Hey Chas !

What do you think of yourself ? Han? Just because you have a material body of flesh does not mean that you are really something. We are nothing. Despicable. Puppets who are serving their tenure here. Puppets who are guided by their materialistic desires. We Muslims never think of ourselves as some superior creature but we are following the teachings of Muhammad. Before God , we all are equal and nothing as compared to His Authority. This idea is always lingering on our minds. At the same time , Muslims know that they are created as 'Best of the creatures of Universe' by God because there is something different between us and other creatures that exist on this earth.Our lives are more like a tourist in a vast desert who stays under the shade of a tree for few moments for relaxing and then carries on his journey. None of the stay is permanent.

There is precisely zero evidence that any of that is true.

I am not nothing, I am very sorry that you are.

It is time for people to grow up and leave the fairy tales behind.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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RE: Question for Atheists
(February 9, 2014 at 12:09 pm)khan4036 Wrote: Hey Chas !

What do you think of yourself ? Han? Just because you have a material body of flesh does not mean that you are really something. We are nothing. Despicable. Puppets who are serving their tenure here.

Erm... Concerning your world view, very tempting, really, but I think I'll pass, thanks (*). At least with atheism, no-one is telling me to despise my material life as worthless, and I can work on making it meaningful for myself and my loved ones. People in your religion are obviously denied that chance, and I find that tragic.

(*) Before you accuse me of wishful thinking, no, the unpleasantness of theism is not the reason why I'm an atheist.
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(February 9, 2014 at 5:02 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:
khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan Wrote:What do you think of yourself ? Han? Just because you have a material body of flesh does not mean that you are really something. We are nothing. Despicable. Puppets who are serving their tenure here. Puppets who are guided by their materialistic desires.

And they call us nihilists.

Pmsl!!!
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
Sith code
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RE: Question for Atheists
To Alex K, Stimbo , Ryantology , whateverist and others !
I appreciate your opinions and m quite pleased by what you people have been thinking. And this is exactly in conformity with my religious teachings because we Muslims are also told to 'think and observe' which you are doing better than me. Doubts must arise to clear out the mysteries.Anyway , I didnt want to degrade the spirit of our lives. I just wanted to explain how the idea of subjection to a Supreme Authority seems plausible.
We Muslims are not told about the purpose of the universe. Rather , we have been commanded to glorify and praise Allah and follow the teachings in its fullest spirit which I dare say that only a handful of Muslims are doing in today's world. Islam is a beautiful religion. Taliban or any terrorists are not Muslims at all ( if you have any such kind of notion ). Our Prophet was tortured and an attempt was made to murder him. His uncle was killed for no good reason. Still , he forgave all who did this. Islam teaches us to sit among the nonbelievers and form a union . Its teachings are for the whole Universe.

There was a time in my life when I started questioning my religion. I mean all sorts of doubts started rising in my mind about existence of an authority. Some events happened , fortunately that made me convinced about His existence. I would like to question you people that was there no moment in your life which led you to feel that your creation is guided by an authority powerful than others ? Was there no such time in your life ? Not a second when you thought so ? Be honest.Anyone ?
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RE: Question for Atheists
(February 11, 2014 at 11:08 am)khan4036 Wrote: Islam teaches us to sit among the nonbelievers and form a union .

Yeah, Allah loves those non-believers..


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