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RE: The simple truth
February 13, 2014 at 11:04 pm
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(February 13, 2014 at 10:50 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (February 13, 2014 at 10:39 pm)The Good News Wrote: I actually don't care how scientifically ignorant my statement was. I'm just glad you agree that evolution isn't a fact.
I agreed that the evolution where rocks become humans isn't fact.
And of course you don't care about your scientific ignorance. You wouldn't be a creationist if you did.
(February 13, 2014 at 10:39 pm)The Good News Wrote: Can I ask you, is it possible that what I believe is true? Now I realise that you might see it as a billion to one chance, but all I ask is, is it possible?
Only in the sense that it is possible that I will wake up in the morning next to a naked Halle Berry giving me the winning lotto numbers for next week.
What you should ask is is it probable?
It's not that I hate science, it's just not my god. I'm only human and science is observed according to human wisdom which is completely fallible. I prefer absolute truth.
Thank you for answering my question. So it is possible. Well I want you to know that it's impossible that the God of the Bible does not exist. And I'm not joking.
(February 13, 2014 at 10:56 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: Oh, boy, if there's one thing I love, it's being preached at by a human of substandard intelligence.
By whose standard do you measure someone to have substandard intelligence? How about we measure your intelligence against One who is all knowing and see how far below the standard you fall?
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RE: The simple truth
February 13, 2014 at 11:18 pm
(February 13, 2014 at 11:04 pm)The Good News Wrote: It's not that I hate science, it's just not my god. I'm only human and science is observed according to human wisdom which is completely fallible. I prefer absolute truth.
You mean what you prefer is dogmatic yet comforting answers with no substantiation. You'd rather pretend that an all-powerful being is watching over you than deal with the chaotic and unknown nature of reality.
The absolute truth is that you're afraid.
(February 13, 2014 at 11:04 pm)The Good News Wrote: Thank you for answering my question. So it is possible. Well I want you to know that it's impossible that the God of the Bible does not exist. And I'm not joking.
Then why do you keep making me laugh?
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RE: The simple truth
February 13, 2014 at 11:31 pm
(February 13, 2014 at 11:18 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (February 13, 2014 at 11:04 pm)The Good News Wrote: It's not that I hate science, it's just not my god. I'm only human and science is observed according to human wisdom which is completely fallible. I prefer absolute truth.
You mean what you prefer is dogmatic yet comforting answers with no substantiation. You'd rather pretend that an all-powerful being is watching over you than deal with the chaotic and unknown nature of reality.
The absolute truth is that you're afraid.
(February 13, 2014 at 11:04 pm)The Good News Wrote: Thank you for answering my question. So it is possible. Well I want you to know that it's impossible that the God of the Bible does not exist. And I'm not joking.
Then why do you keep making me laugh?
Well I'm sorry you find it funny, but you admitted that it's possible that what I believe is true. And since I have received the truth of the gospel supernaturally and directly from God, who cannot lie, I'm letting you know that it is impossible that what you believe is true.
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." (John 1:12,13)
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RE: The simple truth
February 13, 2014 at 11:46 pm
(February 13, 2014 at 11:31 pm)The Good News Wrote: And since I have received the truth of the gospel supernaturally and directly from God, who cannot lie, I'm letting you know that it is impossible that what you believe is true.
Well, that does it. I'm convinved.
In all seriousness, though, do you actually think this is the kind of thinfg that will persuade people to believe, or are you only looking to convert the really stupid?
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RE: The simple truth
February 13, 2014 at 11:55 pm
(February 13, 2014 at 11:46 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (February 13, 2014 at 11:31 pm)The Good News Wrote: And since I have received the truth of the gospel supernaturally and directly from God, who cannot lie, I'm letting you know that it is impossible that what you believe is true.
Well, that does it. I'm convinved.
In all seriousness, though, do you actually think this is the kind of thinfg that will persuade people to believe, or are you only looking to convert the really stupid?
No, I don't believe, even for a second, that anything I say can make anyone believe anything. It's the Holy Spirit who convicts and convinces, not me.
"Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase." (1 Cor 3:5-7)
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RE: The simple truth
February 14, 2014 at 12:00 am
(February 13, 2014 at 11:55 pm)The Good News Wrote: No, I don't believe, even for a second, that anything I say can make anyone believe anything. It's the Holy Spirit who convicts and convinces, not me.
Well, then why not sit back, stay quiet and let the holy spirit do its thing?
If nothing you say can convince, why did you start this thread?
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RE: The simple truth
February 14, 2014 at 12:05 am
(February 14, 2014 at 12:00 am)Faith No More Wrote: (February 13, 2014 at 11:55 pm)The Good News Wrote: No, I don't believe, even for a second, that anything I say can make anyone believe anything. It's the Holy Spirit who convicts and convinces, not me.
Well, then why not sit back, stay quiet and let the holy spirit do its thing?
If nothing you say can convince, why did you start this thread?
Because the Holy Spirit works through the preaching of the gospel.
"it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe." (1 Cor 1:21)
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RE: The simple truth
February 14, 2014 at 12:05 am
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(February 13, 2014 at 11:55 pm)The Good News Wrote: No, I don't believe, even for a second, that anything I say can make anyone believe anything. It's the Holy Spirit who convicts and convinces, not me.
So what's your end game here?
You are flapping your gums with nonsense to, what, make yourself feel better? That's just selfish and deplorable.
It is disgusting that you live your life so intentionally and purposefully out of touch with reality, and it is offensive that you are asking me to do the same, to live out the same delusional fairy tale. Stop it.
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RE: The simple truth
February 14, 2014 at 12:23 am
(February 14, 2014 at 12:05 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: (February 13, 2014 at 11:55 pm)The Good News Wrote: No, I don't believe, even for a second, that anything I say can make anyone believe anything. It's the Holy Spirit who convicts and convinces, not me.
So what's your end game here?
You are flapping your gums with nonsense to, what, make yourself feel better? That's just selfish and deplorable.
It is disgusting that you live your life so intentionally and purposefully out of touch with reality, and it is offensive that you are asking me to do the same, to live out the same delusional fairy tale. Stop it.
I came here out of love, even knowing that I would be reviled. I don't hate people who are atheists and I don't see myself as more intelligent or more wise than they. In terms of scientific belief I definitely am not as intelligent as most. I know what it is like to not know God. For 21 years of my life I lived in the deception of my own sinfulness. Yet God revealed His grace to me by the power of the Holy Spirit. God forbid that I should not want others to know His grace.
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