Virgin Mary, Ark of the Covenant

[My imaginary friend is GOD]

I have also seen faith do good for people, but I have never seen the value of the good that it does for them outweigh the intensity of the truthfulness of the statement that it is bad for them. I have been exposed to a lot of people who have "faith". Therefore, I think that it is probably the case that it is generally the case that "faith" is bad for people, and furthermore this seems to remain true for absolutely all religious belief.

Haha. Now you know why I think religion is bad, to the extent that I think that.

[Ben Davis]

At Lourdes France there is a Medical Bureau made up of Doctors who often have no Religious persuasion who want these conditions, medical documents that the pilgrim has an incurable malady, instantaneous cures, complete (not partial) cures, cures that cannot be scientifically or medically explained, and the person must not relapse in a year.

Liar.

This is a case I've studied in detail after my mother made a pilgrimage, was not cured and subsequently died of her illness. There are no independently verified cases of 'miraculous' cure, only a small number of results with highly questionable data in studies commissioned by religious (mainly catholic) groups. The scientific consensus is clear: the only cases of 'spontaneous' cure occur at exactly the same rates as for those who don't visit Lourdes.

[Minimalist]

Well, human beings are spiritual and complex.

Really?




You want to be careful not to over-generalize there.

[Tonus]

An explanation for why Mary might be referred to as the "ark of the covenant"? Hmmm...

My guess: because god impregnated her without swamping her canoe?

[Bucky Ball]

Thanks for demonstrating the role of a prophet was to speak TO THE PEOPLE OF THEIR OWN TIME, not to tell the future. You have done NOTHING to respond to the links I provided about the mistranslation.
The role of Mary in the Roman Church has more to do with Roman mythology, (where it arose) and the rise of the medieval concept of "Courtly Love". Too bad you have no education.

[Phatt Matt s]

Daniel and other Prophets did indeed tell the future. THat was the part of your post I was responding to. I clicked on the links and checked them out. DId I thoroughly examine the contents. No!

WHen you said the role of a Prophet was NEVER to foretell the future, you had already destroyed your credibility, and shown how poorly educated you are.

[Bucky Ball]

Daniel and other Prophets did indeed tell the future. THat was the part of your post I was responding to. I clicked on the links and checked them out. DId I thoroughly examine the contents. No!

WHen you said the role of a Prophet was NEVER to foretell the future, you had already destroyed your credibility, and shown how poorly educated you are.

Yet you STILL cannot respond intelligently to the link debunking the "virginity" claim. The ROLE of a prophet was not to "predict" the future. You use of ONE, (Daniel) from the Apocalyptic period, (and your claims about Isaiah ...when in fact there were at least 3 writers writing under that name, As ANY scholar knows), demonstrates you have NO Biblical education. At all.

I say my Rosary too.

Hail Mary full of grace.
May someone hot,
sit on your face.



BTW, Jebus never "remonstrated" with anyone about anything. He never existed, and YOU cannot prove he did.

[Phatt Matt s]

Daniel and other Prophets did indeed tell the future. THat was the part of your post I was responding to. I clicked on the links and checked them out. DId I thoroughly examine the contents. No!

WHen you said the role of a Prophet was NEVER to foretell the future, you had already destroyed your credibility, and shown how poorly educated you are.

Yet you STILL cannot respond intelligently to the link debunking the "virginity" claim. The ROLE of a prophet was not to "predict" the future. You use of ONE, (Daniel) from the Apocalyptic period, (and your claims about Isaiah ...when in fact there were at least 3 writers writing under that name, As ANY scholar knows), demonstrates you have NO Biblical education. At all.

I say my Rosary too.

Hail Mary full of grace.
May someone hot,
sit on your face.



BTW, Jebus never "remonstrated" with anyone about anything. He never existed, and YOU cannot prove he did.

I never claimed I could prove anything about a Virginal birth neither can you prove otherwise so it's not the best steward of our time to argue whether there was a virginal birth.

THe Gospel speaks of the Virginal birth and the Early Christians (who wrote about Christian Doctrine) beleived in the Virgin birth.

I do not believe I should be taking responsibility for trying to change your belief's. How the fuck should I know what is best for you. Follow the path that you know will bring you joy, wisdom, prudence, maturity, and fullness of life.

[Bucky Ball]

Yet you STILL cannot respond intelligently to the link debunking the "virginity" claim. The ROLE of a prophet was not to "predict" the future. You use of ONE, (Daniel) from the Apocalyptic period, (and your claims about Isaiah ...when in fact there were at least 3 writers writing under that name, As ANY scholar knows), demonstrates you have NO Biblical education. At all.

I say my Rosary too.

Hail Mary full of grace.
May someone hot,
sit on your face.



BTW, Jebus never "remonstrated" with anyone about anything. He never existed, and YOU cannot prove he did.

I never claimed I could prove anything about a Virginal birth neither can you prove otherwise so it's not the best steward of our time to argue whether there was a virginal birth.

THe Gospel speaks of the Virginal birth and the Early Christians (who wrote about Christian Doctrine) beleived in the Virgin birth.

I do not believe I should be taking responsibility for trying to change your belief's. How the fuck should I know what is best for you. Follow the path that you know will bring you joy, wisdom, prudence, maturity, and fullness of life.

Actually the gospels DON'T talk about a "virginal" birth. You didn't read the links, did you. You have no clue what the "early Christians" thought, or did not think.

Like I need some self-admitted Marian cunt to preach at me.

[Phatt Matt s]

Well please put this Marian Cunt on ignore than Please don't go to threads written by this Marian Cunt

Matthew 1:22–23 clearly identifies Jesus’ virgin birth as a fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy: “So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: ‘Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,’ which is translated, ‘God with us.’” Matthew’s quotation here of Isaiah 7:14 confirms that the prophet did in fact predict the virgin birth of Jesus Christ.