The following is not a question: Can something come from nothing?

[bennyboy]

Looks like pre-existing conditions all the way down to me.

Yes, but why do those pre-existing conditions pre-exist?

[Chas]

The question is meaningless, or at least a semantic one, because it all hinges on what we mean by "nothing". First air turned out not to be nothing, then empty space itself turns out not to be nothing and even if there was a time when there was a god but neither space nor matter .. that too would not be nothing. If we're to worry about the transition from nothing to something, god doesn't get a pass. Then again, why do we think there would ever have been a true nothing? What leads anyone to suppose that?

Personally I don't accept that there was ever a true nothing. Before the earliest phenomenon we could ever come to theorize, there would always have been the preconditions necessary to give rise to it. Looks like pre-existing conditions all the way down to me.

"You're very clever, young man, very clever, but it's tortoises all the way down!"

[John V]

My point on this line is that it's incorrect at best or sometimes disingenuous to claim that science has shown that something can come from nothing.

So what your saying is that the universe, even if it was created by a god, must have come from something?

No, I'm not saying that, and IMO it's a non sequitur from what you quoted.

[LostLocke]

So what your saying is that the universe, even if it was created by a god, must have come from something?

No, I'm not saying that, and IMO it's a non sequitur from what you quoted.

So, when this god created the universe, he created it from nothing?

[Rampant.A.I.]

So what your saying is that the universe, even if it was created by a god, must have come from something?

No, I'm not saying that, and IMO it's a non sequitur from what you quoted.

It's only a "non sequitur" from what you quoted because he doesn't like the conclusion.

He didn't get the chance to tack a special pleading clause on the end of <Something cannot come from nothing> in the form of <Unless God did it>

[Silver]

Since theists are so fond of stating that woman was created either from dirt or the rib of man, depending upon which genesis story you want to believe over the other, it strikes me as odd that theists are not claiming their godboy created the universe from himself.

[pocaracas]

Since theists are so fond of stating that woman was created either from dirt or the rib of man, depending upon which genesis story you want to believe over the other, it strikes me as odd that theists are not claiming their godboy created the universe from himself.

Some do... some claim that everything is god and god is everything... or something like that...

[tor]

We need to define something and nothing and then start examining nothing.

[fr0d0]

We need to define something and nothing and then start examining nothing.

I'm there already buddy

[tor]

We need to define something and nothing and then start examining nothing.

I'm there already buddy

And you fail.