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RE: This is getting old
April 4, 2014 at 5:09 pm
(This post was last modified: April 4, 2014 at 5:09 pm by SteelCurtain.)
Damn. I thought you were tired of us and were 'leaving' again.
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RE: This is getting old
April 4, 2014 at 5:10 pm
(April 4, 2014 at 5:09 pm)ShaMan Wrote: Damn theists just have no sight for 'logic & reason'... though they exist 
Do you?
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RE: This is getting old
April 4, 2014 at 5:10 pm
(April 4, 2014 at 4:55 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (April 4, 2014 at 4:45 pm)tor Wrote: Yeah but if arguments fail people search for other ones which will work. In theology it's completely opposite. They hammer same thing over and over even if it doesn't work.
It's not necessarily limited to theology. Many people are happy to wallow in confirmation bias.
You're describing a *human* failing, not a just a theological one.
with atheist like you we have a chance.
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RE: This is getting old
April 4, 2014 at 5:15 pm
(April 4, 2014 at 5:10 pm)tor Wrote: (April 4, 2014 at 5:09 pm)ShaMan Wrote: Damn theists just have no sight for 'logic & reason'... though they exist
Do you? Yes. Must I highlight the implied obverse? Atheists have no sight for 'spirit & soul'... though they also exist 
It's just a different set of glasses. Unlike theists firmly entrenched in their doctrines, and atheists firmly assured of their science, I have no dogma that says I can't wear both sets of lenses.
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RE: This is getting old
April 4, 2014 at 5:17 pm
(April 4, 2014 at 5:15 pm)ShaMan Wrote: (April 4, 2014 at 5:10 pm)tor Wrote: Do you? Yes. Must I highlight the implied obverse? Atheists have no sight for 'spirit & soul'... though they also exist
It's just a different set of glasses. Unlike theists firmly entrenched in their doctrines, and atheists firmly assured of their science, I have no dogma that says I can't wear both sets of lenses.
What is soul and spirit?
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RE: This is getting old
April 4, 2014 at 5:35 pm
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(April 4, 2014 at 5:17 pm)tor Wrote: (April 4, 2014 at 5:15 pm)ShaMan Wrote: Yes. Must I highlight the implied obverse? Atheists have no sight for 'spirit & soul'... though they also exist
It's just a different set of glasses. Unlike theists firmly entrenched in their doctrines, and atheists firmly assured of their science, I have no dogma that says I can't wear both sets of lenses.
What is soul and spirit? If I thought for one second that words could explain spirit, then I would take a stab at answering your question. But since my words will only confuse those who worship the reasoning in them (atheists) more, I shall not attempt to persuade you (which is not my function). Persuasion seems to be your god.
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RE: This is getting old
April 4, 2014 at 5:38 pm
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(April 4, 2014 at 5:35 pm)ShaMan Wrote: (April 4, 2014 at 5:17 pm)tor Wrote: What is soul and spirit? If I thought for one second that words could explain spirit, then I would take a stab at answering your question. But since my words will only confuse those who worship the reasoning in them (atheists) more, I shall not attempt to persuade you (which is not my function). Persuasion seems to be your god.
Very good cop out. Why do you use words to call something you can't express with words?
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RE: This is getting old
April 4, 2014 at 5:42 pm
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(April 4, 2014 at 5:38 pm)tor Wrote: (April 4, 2014 at 5:35 pm)ShaMan Wrote: If I thought for one second that words could explain spirit, then I would take a stab at answering your question. But since my words will only confuse those who worship the reasoning in them (atheists) more, I shall not attempt to persuade you (which is not my function). Persuasion seems to be your god.
Very good cop out. Why do you use words to call something you can't express with words? Why use any words? To attempt to explain spiritual matters in a way that un-spiritual beings can comprehend would be like describing the color red to a blind man - it's just a concept to the blind man, and he'll never see the color red for himself until his eyes are opened. I CAN NOT persuade you! Get it? This post is apt because the OP was correct in calling-out the Christian for trying to persuade him to believe. And while I'm at it... Christians - PLEASE stop trying to convert others. Focus on your path and leave others to their own.
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RE: This is getting old
April 4, 2014 at 5:45 pm
I get it  
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RE: This is getting old
April 4, 2014 at 5:48 pm
(April 4, 2014 at 5:42 pm)ShaMan Wrote: (April 4, 2014 at 5:38 pm)tor Wrote: Very good cop out. Why do you use words to call something you can't express with words? Why use any words? To attempt to explain spiritual matters in a way that un-spiritual beings can comprehend would be like describing the color red to a blind man - it's just a concept to the blind man, and he'll never see the color red for himself until his eyes are opened. I CAN NOT persuade you! Get it? This post is apt because the OP was correct in calling-out the Christian for trying to persuade him to believe. And while I'm at it... Christians - PLEASE stop trying to convert others. Focus on your path and leave others to their own.
So there is something real which you can see but the rest of us cannot? Well shit.
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