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RE: Why can't we accept it?
April 21, 2014 at 11:50 am
(April 21, 2014 at 11:33 am)Kitanetos Wrote: (April 21, 2014 at 11:29 am)Atheist And Proud Wrote: Yes but religion also gives hope and creates a community.
Again, that is not a valid argument in favor of religion.
Religion is a lie, plain and simple. When faced with wanting to continue with believing in the comfort of a lie or accepting the harsh truth, most people will unreasonably choose the lie over the truth.
The truth, for those who have the intellectual honesty to admit it, should always be preferential over a well-meant lie that merely continues to deceive.
Yes but they should be able to believe what they want to believe. I mean if they are religious and what they believe isn't harmful or sways peoples views around them then they should be able to believe what ever they want...
Though only if it isn't harmful...
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RE: Why can't we accept it?
April 21, 2014 at 11:55 am
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(April 21, 2014 at 11:50 am)Atheist And Proud Wrote: Yes but they should be able to believe what they want to believe.
A society where religious belief is in any way relevant would have to be one whereby theists were capable of preventing themselves from proselytizing and using indoctrination to choose the lie over the truth in order to fool others into the delusion. If the religious aspect of society was capable of not disrupting the overall progress of society, whereby humans were allowed to be human instead of seen as second class citizens or science was not discredited due to ignorance, then I would probably have no qualms with religion. As it is, mankind seems incapable of allowing others to be who they are. Due to the fact that religion seems incapable of disrupting societal progress, the solution would be to discover a way to ensure a secular society.
Unfortunately, so long as religious people, no matter how supposedly good their intentions, are allowed to believe as they wish, there will always be the potential for twisting the belief. The truth should always be more valued over the lie. There is no harm in accepting a mythology as a mythology, as has happened with many ancient beliefs that were once held true, but the problems always arise when religious people think they have the monopoly on the truth and attempt to bring society back to a darker age where the primitive thoughts of those times should remain there in the form of recognized mythology rather than perceived as present/future truth.
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RE: Why can't we accept it?
April 21, 2014 at 12:00 pm
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(April 21, 2014 at 11:34 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: We are lucky in the UK that theists have, for the moment, lost the power that they had to persecute non-theists.
But in other nations they still have the power and use it mercilessly to oppress and punish people like us that refuse to believe what they would like you to believe.
It does not pay to be complacent, American funded evangelists are trying to sneak creationism into british schools and muslims are trying to get a majorities in school parent groups so they can influence the agenda.
I know I can't change that but if in America people started to take that point of view, even a few people then it would do a world of good...for them and the people around them.
I mean they can't be told of for letting people believe what they want, it doesn't change you're views on religion.
For example if you're a christian just don't try and change other peoples views, its not like you're going to get into trouble for not trying to change someones opinion.
I mean it's not like you meet an Atheist and you talk and everything then you go back to you're family and no ones going to scream at you WHY DIDN'T YOU CONVERT THEM AND TRY AND MAKE THEM A CHRISTIAN???
Same goes to atheists. No ones going to yell at you if you meet a religious person and you don't try and change their views.
(April 21, 2014 at 11:45 am)Stimbo Wrote: (April 21, 2014 at 11:29 am)Atheist And Proud Wrote: Yes but religion also gives hope and creates a community.
No, religious people can do that; but religion itself is highly divisive and morally corrosive.
Oh yeah, thats what I meant, sorry about the confusion and I agree with you're earlier statement 
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RE: Why can't we accept it?
April 21, 2014 at 12:04 pm
Quote:I don't care if you're christian.
I don't care if you're muslim.
I don't care if you're religious
It doesn't work because all of those fuckers care way too much.
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RE: Why can't we accept it?
April 21, 2014 at 12:06 pm
(This post was last modified: April 21, 2014 at 12:07 pm by SteelCurtain.)
People absolutely should believe what they want to believe.
As long as they extend me the same favor. I am not paying taxes so you can teach my kids that "God created the universe in 6 days, 6,000 years ago" is a theory just like evolution. I am not paying taxes so you can put your(politician, not you) god into law in any form, or put your theological bullshit on the steps of my courthouse.
As long as they mind their own business, they can believe whatever the fuck they want.
Also, I can't help it. *belief, *your.
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RE: Why can't we accept it?
April 21, 2014 at 12:09 pm
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(April 21, 2014 at 12:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:I don't care if you're christian.
I don't care if you're muslim.
I don't care if you're religious
It doesn't work because all of those fuckers care way too much.
Its such a shame really...
Thats what I wish I could at least help change, even if it is a little bit.
(April 21, 2014 at 12:06 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: People absolutely should believe what they want to believe.
As long as they extend me the same favor. I am not paying taxes so you can teach my kids that "God created the universe in 6 days, 6,000 years ago" is a theory just like evolution. I am not paying taxes so you can put your(politician, not you) god into law in any form, or put your theological bullshit on the steps of my courthouse.
As long as they mind their own business, they can believe whatever the fuck they want.
Also, I can't help it. *belief, *your.
Yes exactly!! And sorry about that, spelling and grammars always been a little problem for me, I'm dyslexic. So sometimes I'm fine and other times I can be a little on the rubbish side.
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RE: Why can't we accept it?
April 21, 2014 at 12:13 pm
You can. Don't be one of them.
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RE: Why can't we accept it?
April 21, 2014 at 12:16 pm
(April 21, 2014 at 12:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You can. Don't be one of them.
Thats defiantly not on my bucket list.
I will never to be one of them 
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RE: Why can't we accept it?
April 21, 2014 at 12:27 pm
Name one thing that religion does that can't be acheived through secular means.
I'll wait.....
You can't, and that is exactly my point.
It is not only unnecessary but (as many others have pointed out) harmful.
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RE: Why can't we accept it?
April 21, 2014 at 12:36 pm
(April 21, 2014 at 12:27 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Name one thing that religion does that can't be acheived through secular means.
I'll wait.....
You can't, and that is exactly my point.
It is not only unnecessary but (as many others have pointed out) harmful.
Yes but not every person who believes in God is harmful so they don't need to be an Atheist thats what I've been trying to say.
So people that believe in god but keep it to themselves and don't try and change other peoples views. Thats when you are not meant to try and change them to atheism because they aren't doing any harm.
Only people who take it to extremes or do or say something nasty then explain their behaviour as okay because of god. Thats harmful, they're the people that I welcome other people (Not myself) to try and change them or attack and hate on their belief.
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