Evolution, religion, and ignorance.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

The ability for animals to change gradually was certainly designed into each working creature. What you see is an organ or animal feature which is already in use,altering itself slightly for the benefit of the creature. That new change is simply handed down through genetic transfer. This is a complicated feature that is integral to the function of the animal in the first place. I am not saying that changes don't take place. I am emphasizing that it is a feature of animals to enhance their life challenges.
You can change the shape and sizes of dogs over time, but they can still mate to make more variations of themselves. What I want to emphasize is that this capability is designed into the functions of the creature. This could not happen without some pre-creation planning. One change can amount to billions of cellular adjustments, and an almost uncountable number of (chance) atomic ones.

Next time someone offers a penny for your thoughts, sell.

[coldwx]

The ability for animals to change gradually was certainly designed into each working creature. What you see is an organ or animal feature which is already in use,altering itself slightly for the benefit of the creature. That new change is simply handed down through genetic transfer. This is a complicated feature that is integral to the function of the animal in the first place. I am not saying that changes don't take place. I am emphasizing that it is a feature of animals to enhance their life challenges.
You can change the shape and sizes of dogs over time, but they can still mate to make more variations of themselves. What I want to emphasize is that this capability is designed into the functions of the creature. This could not happen without some pre-creation planning. One change can amount to billions of cellular adjustments, and an almost uncountable number of (chance) atomic ones.

---

[RDK]

When chance is 50/50 there is a probability that some thing can happen. At 100/1 there is not much chance of it happening. At one billion/1 it is highly unlikely that anything will happen at all. Try to calculate how many atoms it would likely take to create one virus. The odds of it happening are so far off the chart that it could not have happened. Throw in the variability of making those connections over time and the odds are so far off the chart that this discussion becomes laughable!

[Silver]

At one billion/1 it is highly unlikely that anything will happen at all.

That still does not mean no chance.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

When chance is 50/50 there is a probability that some thing can happen. At 100/1 there is not much chance of it happening. At one billion/1 it is highly unlikely that anything will happen at all. Try to calculate how many atoms it would likely take to create one virus. The odds of it happening are so far off the chart that it could not have happened. Throw in the variability of making those connections over time and the odds are so far off the chart that this discussion becomes laughable!

There's certainly one thing in thread that's laughable, and it ain't the odds.

I also really want to add some kudos to RDK for so ruthlessly, and without hesitation, totally reinforcing the point regarding some theists and ignorance that the OP was trying to elucidate.

RDK, are you from the US? In a religiously orientated state from the Deep South? I enjoy learning about other cultures, and yours seems so fascinatingly archaic, it's like looking back at man from thousands of years ago.

[The Valkyrie]

When chance is 50/50 there is a probability that some thing can happen. At 100/1 there is not much chance of it happening. At one billion/1 it is highly unlikely that anything will happen at all. Try to calculate how many atoms it would likely take to create one virus. The odds of it happening are so far off the chart that it could not have happened. Throw in the variability of making those connections over time and the odds are so far off the chart that this discussion becomes laughable!

The chance of two molecules settling in a position to start the formation of a rock is incredibly unlikely. Then the other molecules also settling just correctly to form the rest of the rock is astronomically unlikely.

However, it happens.

Playing the "chances of" card fails every time

[RDK]

Someone wrote about the evolution of the mitochondria (the power-plant for the energy used in a cell) What else would a mitochondria do in a cell anyway if it was not used for managing energy. The odds of it being in the cell in the first place was only because it was needed in the first place. A simpler chance addition of something else would have meant instant death. How many possible choices could have been designed into the cell that could not work at all. What was the cell doing before it had this device, and how many uncountable atomic sized connections had to be made to invent this item before it was installed.
Randomly selected parts interchanged into an unknown combination does not make a completed part.
This thing had to be designed to the right size for it's use, as well as it's acceptance into the cell.
I know that this has got to be seeming impossible to some of you by now!

[Silver]

I know that this has got to be seeming impossible to some of you by now!

Only to you.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Keep fighting the good fight, RDK. One day, you can imagine that your version of whatever god it is you want have sex with will pat you on the back for being so wrong.

Real talk.

From the back of which discarded cigarette packet did you learn about evolution from?

[pocaracas]

Someone wrote about the evolution of the mitochondria (the power-plant for the energy used in a cell) What else would a mitochondria do in a cell anyway if it was not used for managing energy. The odds of it being in the cell in the first place was only because it was needed in the first place. A simpler chance addition of something else would have meant instant death. How many possible choices could have been designed into the cell that could not work at all. What was the cell doing before it had this device, and how many uncountable atomic sized connections had to be made to invent this item before it was installed.
Randomly selected parts interchanged into an unknown combination does not make a completed part.
This thing had to be designed to the right size for it's use, as well as it's acceptance into the cell.
I know that this has got to be seeming impossible to some of you by now!

Sub-cell structures evolved with the multi-cellular organisms. They were not as finely tuned as they are today.... they must have started out much different... heck, even DNA probably didn't exist in the first living organisms.... nor RNA, but something far simpler, but still self-replicating. That's all it took: self-replication of carbohydrate sequences. How unlikely is that?