Evolution, religion, and ignorance.

[pocaracas]

If you watch game of thrones, you'll know that dragons use eggs...then winter came and they evolved into birds... so the egg part was already present before the chicken became a species.

Some parts of what I said relate to reality... some may not...

[Rampant.A.I.]

Component parts of anything which exist have to find order from disorder.

Presumption: Components must exist with the future knowledge of how said components will fit into an idealized future design. Complete misunderstanding of what evolution states.

A cell, or anything else for that matter needs to be a collection of organized pieces which inter-relate before their combined result can be called life.

Same presumption. There is no future blueprint dictating the system organized pieces are "designed" to be part of. The collection exists, functions, changes.

Which single piece of a cell came first. It's sort of like, which came first, the chicken or the egg. Neither one came first, since without one the other would have never existed.

Stuck on the design analogy, without even entertaining the possibility of any other mechanism.

The idea that given enough time these actions would occur in one place to create life is in itself a huge fallacy. It doesn't matter how much time is needed to create randomness, it is still random.

Profound misunderstanding of the 2nd law of Thermodynamics.

Life is a team effort, with all of the parts working together in agreement to support the life of the organism.

Bald assertion. Still working from the worldview that parts are assembled in their existing forms in a designer's workshop.

It's easy to look at the variety of life on earth and just deduce that it all had to begin somehow and then change into whatever it can through time. Watching life alter itself does not show how it began, only that it changes after it has been created.

Or whatever, another bald assertion. No support for "created," yet another assumption.

The simplest of mechanisms have to be understood from the beginning. Watching the process after it has begun does not explain how it started.

Why?

Cellular life can not be upwardly mobile. Let's say that a simple cell has all of the components in it to provide for it's simple life. It does not need anything else in it to change anything, it reproduces over and over with near the same results. Does that cell need a heart, a liver, eyes, ears, anything extra at all. No. That cell would not know how to integrate any of those extra parts anyway. I f this cell is going to change, it has to have a preprogrammed set of instructions so that the variation can be used by the creature. That cell did not have any provision for extra parts-it could not even find a place to connect them in or integrate these extra parts at all.

Same presumption, working from the worldview that parts are assembled from their existing forms in a designer's workshop.

Let's say we have a simple life form with only four parts. Which part was invented first, and how did it manage to sustain itself without the other three. None of the four parts individually can have any life it. It is only when the four parts are brought together at the same time can life proceed. The most important aspect of this union is the timing of the events. Now this event could possibly occur at random if the right parts were joined together at the right time to make life. Unfortunately, life is not made of four parts, especially if the four are random atoms. There are a required number of interactions between the multitude of parts before life can take hold.
You might conclude that the starting of life has nothing to do with the ongoing changes we see in living creatures.

Is "Parts" the new "Kinds" for you?

If evolution is true, it has to apply at the beginning of life, if it started that way. Instead of looking at fully developed creatures and backdating the process, see the absurdity of single cells becoming upwardly mobile.

WRONG. Evolution deals with the adaptation of existing forms of life to their environment.

You've failed high school biology, try again.

[RDK]

We've created an entire bacterial genome from scratch, inserted it into a denucleated cell, and had that cell come to life and reproduce. Say, what would change in your beliefs on this matter if an entire living cell was made from scratch?

Oh, Mister Agenda, sir, how about A semi-synthetic organism with an expanded genetic alphabet?
Also known as the only being on Earth with a DNA that has 6 instead of 4 "letters"

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It's amazing what can be assembled with human intervention, or intelligent design to direct things. There was nothing random about this thing happening. Would this have ever happened if nobody ever made it happen?

[Mr Greene]

Given the conditions prevalent during the Hadean period amino acids and RNA could have been produced through simple chemical reactions.
If these chemicals are suspended in a fluid which also includes lipid spheres the lipid spheres will naturally engulf these molecules forming a primitive cell.
Therefore the answer you are looking for is YES.

[RDK]

Are you serious? Intelligence is just as impossible to assemble as random atoms. This connection just doubles the impossibility!

[Rampant.A.I.]

Are you serious? Intelligence is just as impossible to assemble as random atoms. This connection just doubles the impossibility!

Why does your personal incredulity influence statistics?

If you weren't here to process the probability, would it become any less probable than if you were here?

[RDK]

How many ways can we invent to explain something that none of us have ever witnessed. If odds are so much against accidental creation, there must be a rational one somewhere out there.

[Ryantology]

Are you serious? Intelligence is just as impossible to assemble as random atoms. This connection just doubles the impossibility!

So, why do you argue that intelligence is the source of everything?

[Silver]

there must be a rational one somewhere out there.

Of course there is. Absent the answer, however, is not just cause for god did it.

[RDK]

How did things really happen. There was no intelligence in the beginning. No rules to establish the mechanism of life. No parts floating around looking for some useful place to fasten onto. What good would a random strand of DNA do if the directions( which it did not yet have) not appear to direct the construction of something which as of yet did not exist.
Random creation and evolution is one of the biggest lies out there. Don't swallow it.