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Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
RE: Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
Evolution as a scientific theory is always under scrutiny, even by those that understand it. Why can't the religionists do the same for their dogmas?

It's a rethorical question.
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RE: Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
(May 17, 2014 at 1:50 pm)RDK Wrote: Has someone implied that a vestigial appendage is some sort of evidence of upward evolution?
Hopefully not, since "upward evolution" is one of those terms that a creationist is likely to use, thus making his ignorance of evolution clearer. Natural selection may make it seem as if evolution moves in an "upward" direction, but this is not the case.
Quote:You should be able to pick out hundreds of these changes as there are multitudes of subsystems that are being altered. Where are of these mistakes?
Those "mistakes" are probably more notable in the millions of species that no longer exist because they did not evolve the necessary mechanisms to survive ongoing changes in their environment or in competing organisms.

Evolution only seems to move "upward" because those species that don't evolve in a sufficiently beneficial direction die out and disappear. The creatures that populate the world today are the result of a sifting out of a heck of a lot of failures, many of which we find in the fossil record and many which we will probably never find out about. How does that point to an intelligent designer providing complete forms or evolutionary guidance?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
I wonder if RDK has ever taken a math class. He'd probably spend most of the class arguing that Algebra was "too hard" and therefore "couldn't possibly be true"
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RE: Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
(May 17, 2014 at 2:06 pm)RDK Wrote: Likewise I have brought a multitude of points to you which you refuse to answer. Is there some agreeable common ground?

Your questions are largely nonsense. You have no knowledge of biology, and what you think you know is utterly wrong.

You really, really need to read a book or two by an evolutionary biologist before there can be any meaningful conversation.

Alternatively, you could actually try to understand what people here have written, but you have shown no willingness to do so.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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RE: Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
(May 14, 2014 at 11:51 pm)RDK Wrote: I'm trying to make this as simple as I can.


You've succeeded. What you've been saying if very simple.
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RE: Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
(May 13, 2014 at 9:10 pm)RDK Wrote: If odds are so much against accidental creation, there must be a rational one somewhere out there.

Believing that a god did it by waving a magic wand is rational?
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RE: Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
Don't be ridiculous, god doesn't need a wand!
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
(May 17, 2014 at 4:57 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Evolution as a scientific theory is always under scrutiny, even by those that understand it. Why can't the religionists do the same for their dogmas?

It's a rethorical question.

Evolution is a "theory" as much as gravity is a "theory". Yes in technical scientific terms they are "theories" but that's only attacked by people who have no understanding of what the scientific meaning of theory is.

And yeah never ask religious people to back up there arguments if you respect those people you'll only embarrass and piss them off since they have no arguments and get upset when you point that out.
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Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
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RE: Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
(May 17, 2014 at 2:44 pm)RDK Wrote: Sorry about the quote edit screw-up. Genetic info is infinite, but only planned application of that info will lead to any usable change.

No because evolutionary pressures will come into play.
These pressures are whatever will help the creature out breed or out live any competitors.
That is all, its very simple and elegant and supported by the evidence.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

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