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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 30, 2014 at 9:32 am
(May 29, 2014 at 9:05 pm)k2490 Wrote: "God doesn't make bad things happen,that's the Devil,but God allows it to make you grow and test your faith."

Unless it kills you.
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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 30, 2014 at 10:11 am (This post was last modified: May 30, 2014 at 10:12 am by ThePinsir.)
Isiah 45:7

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

That should settle it. God himself said he creates evil. Why is this even still a thing?
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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 30, 2014 at 12:00 pm (This post was last modified: May 30, 2014 at 12:14 pm by k2490.)
(May 30, 2014 at 9:32 am)FreeTony Wrote:
(May 29, 2014 at 9:05 pm)k2490 Wrote: "God doesn't make bad things happen,that's the Devil,but God allows it to make you grow and test your faith."

Unless it kills you.

Good point.
(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 am)ThePinsir Wrote: Isiah 45:7

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

That should settle it. God himself said he creates evil. Why is this even still a thing?

I forgot about this scripture.

I looked it up in two other Bibles one says "I form the light and create the Darkness,I bring prosperity and create disaster; I,the LORD do all these things" new International version

and

"I create light and darkness;happiness and sorrow;I the LORD do all this" Contemporary English Version

one sounds not-as-harsh
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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 30, 2014 at 2:40 pm
(May 30, 2014 at 12:00 pm)k2490 Wrote:
(May 30, 2014 at 9:32 am)FreeTony Wrote: Unless it kills you.

Good point.
(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 am)ThePinsir Wrote: Isiah 45:7

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

That should settle it. God himself said he creates evil. Why is this even still a thing?

I forgot about this scripture.

I looked it up in two other Bibles one says "I form the light and create the Darkness,I bring prosperity and create disaster; I,the LORD do all these things" new International version

and

"I create light and darkness;happiness and sorrow;I the LORD do all this" Contemporary English Version

one sounds not-as-harsh

The correct translation is calamity.

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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 30, 2014 at 4:22 pm
(May 30, 2014 at 9:32 am)FreeTony Wrote:
(May 29, 2014 at 9:05 pm)k2490 Wrote: "God doesn't make bad things happen,that's the Devil,but God allows it to make you grow and test your faith."

Unless it kills you.

Ah, but then it teaches you a lesson you'll never remember.

What's ruffling my feathers with all this talk of purpose and life lessons is the implication that other people only exist so that I can be tested; they're merely one-dimensional extras in the soap opera of my life in which I am the main and only character.
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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 30, 2014 at 4:43 pm (This post was last modified: May 30, 2014 at 4:45 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(May 30, 2014 at 2:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: The correct translation is calamity.

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Even worse..now something we used to chalk up to plain old bad luck is directed and malicious. Good job GC, I couldn;t even begin to smear gods good name as well as a believer.
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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 30, 2014 at 5:36 pm
(May 30, 2014 at 2:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: The correct translation is calamity.

Given the two words are interchangeable, your point is moot.
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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 30, 2014 at 5:45 pm
(May 30, 2014 at 2:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: The correct translation is calamity.

GC

This, of course, brings up another issue, that of the reliability of translations.

If God is perfect and wishes that none be damned (he doesn't, there are people whom he specifically wants to be damned, but leave that aside for the mo'), why would he allow errors of translation in the Bible? Clearly, God could have removed the ambiguity about the Hebrew word 'rah' for instance.

Rather than being 'the word of God', the Bible bears all the marks of mistranslated mythology.

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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 30, 2014 at 5:50 pm
I think that if I were a god I would just use magic..rather than fallible human languages. Everytime you looked, you could understand it...even if you couldn't read. After all, I made your tiny little brains, I can pre-load them with whatever the hell I want.
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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 30, 2014 at 6:01 pm
G-C has tied his scrotum into knots trying to squirm his way out of this dilemma.

He fails constantly.

If his god exists - he's a dick.

The far more reasonable answer is that he is just as phony as all the other gods invented by man.
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