Q about arguments for God's existence.

[archangle]

Why are they all so fucking illogical and idiotic? Moreover, why are so many people dumb enough to be "persuaded" by them?

yep ... your are good for the cause to help some people to "grow up" or to "let go". Like a animal that sleeps in its own shit.

or in this case, eats it.

[The Grand Nudger]

OK.
First question:

It's estimated that the Milky Way Galaxy is about 13.2 billion years. If an observer was there 13.2 billion years ago looking out into space would he have seen the same distant galaxies that we can see now, which some people say are 13.7 billion years old?

It's estimated that the United States of America is about 238 years old. If an observer was there 238 years ago looking out into the eastern seaboard would he have seen the same distant cities that we can see now, which some people say are -blah...blah....blah.

[Cyberman]

So the Universe changes over time. Hey, just like everything else - stars, planets, trees, flowers, you, me - why would we expect the Universe itself to be any different?

We need circus music for this. Cue the hilariously misnamed “Entry of the Gladiators“.

[Bibliofagus]

Doesn't your other option generalize as "all religions have the potential to be as true for those who have not yet discovered them". Not a very important point imo.

Yes. According to Romans Chap 1, creation is the evidence for God, so that no one has an excuse not to believe in God. I assume that those who have not been exposed to any particular faith are only held accountable for what truth they have been exposed to. If they are given more and they refuse it, then they are rejecting God.

Do you believe in hell? I'm asking because unless you convert 100% of the theists you tell about jesus, you are actually sending people there who would have been in heaven if you would have just shut up.

And what about muslims? They heard about your jesus, but think he was a prophet... Are they fucked by default?

[Mudhammam]

Why are they all so fucking illogical and idiotic? Moreover, why are so many people dumb enough to be "persuaded" by them?

yep ... your are good for the cause to help some people to "grow up" or to "let go". Like a animal that sleeps in its own shit.

or in this case, eats it.

I'd expect you to insert your two cents of theological drivel but your brain probably isn't big enough to tie itself in knots.

[Whateverist]

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If 4 billion people on the planet claim to know Susan and they can't agree about what Susan is, I may not know exactly what she is, but I would definitely be convinced that she exists.

If the vast majority of people agreed that God is fictional, would you think that was a good argument that you should cease believing that God is real?

Priceless. And what a great idea to do philosophy by poll taking.

[FatAndFaithless]

If the vast majority of people agreed that God is fictional, would you think that was a good argument that you should cease believing that God is real?

Priceless. And what great idea to do philosophy by poll taking.

Huh...usually you don't see too many Christians using argumentum ad populum so blatantly.

30 million smokers can't be wrong!
(EDIT: Meant to get Lek's quote in there...but I fucked up)

[Wyrd of Gawd]

OK.
First question:

It's estimated that the Milky Way Galaxy is about 13.2 billion years. If an observer was there 13.2 billion years ago looking out into space would he have seen the same distant galaxies that we can see now, which some people say are 13.7 billion years old?

Taking a closer look at the XDF (see a larger version), there are lots of spiral galaxies (similar to our own Milky Way), red galaxies (the remnants of galaxy collisions, which were much more common when the universe had first formed), and tiny dots that are mere galaxy seedlings. Remember, the XDF peers 13.2 billion years into the past, to when the universe was just 450 million years old. Today, 13.2 billion years later, the galaxies will look completely different — they will have moved apart, some will have ceased to exist, and the seedlings might have grown into full-blown galaxies.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/13686...e-universe

You're still missing the point. If the Milky Way Galaxy is 13.2 billion years old that means that it's about the same age of the Universe, according to a popular theory. Some people conclude that the Universe is 13.7 billion years old based on the speed of light from the most distant galaxies. So you have a paradox. If the farthest object is 13.7 billion years away and it's fully formed as a galaxy would you have been able to have seen it 13.2 billion years ago from the Milky Way? Remember, such objects are all around us so it's just not one object that we're talking about.

Don't forget: there are countless galaxies between us and the farthest ones.

So what do you think?

[Jackalope]

You're still missing the point. If the Milky Way Galaxy is 13.2 billion years old that means that it's about the same age of the Universe, according to a popular theory. Some people conclude that the Universe is 13.7 billion years old based on the speed of light from the most distant galaxies. So you have a paradox. If the farthest object is 13.7 billion years away and it's fully formed as a galaxy would you have been able to have seen it 13.2 billion years ago from the Milky Way? Remember, such objects are all around us so it's just not one object that we're talking about.

Don't forget: there are countless galaxies between us and the farthest ones.

So what do you think?

You're missing the point.

The galaxy that now appears to be 13.7 billion years away, appears as it did 13.7 billion years ago from our frame of reference. It's actually been receding away from the milky way, and is now substantially farther away (on the order of 46+ billion light years).

You're going to have to connect the dots, because whatever it is you're attempting to illustrate makes zero sense.

[Mudhammam]

You'll have a better time convincing a fetus in a jar, Cthulhu. Wyrd of Gawd doesn't give weight to empirical facts.