America a christian nation?

[ShaMan]

This country was founded by Native Americans....

Ah, no. They may have founded something, but not this country.

What was founded by original people was peace. Peace with the land, and peace with mankind. Yes, there were tribal and territorial skirmishes, but for the most part, they lived, and let live.

[Anomalocaris]

Ah, no. They may have founded something, but not this country.

What was founded by original people was peace. Peace with the land, and peace with mankind. Yes, there were tribal and territorial skirmishes, but for the most part, they lived, and let live.

Ah, no.

1. Native Americans, particularly those of North America, didn't live in peace with the land. They practiced slash and burn land management on a scale larger than any other society we have direct evidence for. Their impact on global climate likely vastly exceed those of any other neolithic culture of which we have evidence, both in total, and by capita. They basically made America's midwest a grassy plain that it is by burning all the pre-existing forests, and then burn off the grass every year thereafter. The carbon they put into the atmosphere is thought to be a major contributor to climate change between 1st and 10th century AD.

2. There is no real evidence they lived and let live any more than other late neolithic cultures, at least not compare to pre-industrial societies. Even most peaceful neolithic tribes ever observed by anthropologists show vastly higher average rate of death from warfare than any modern or near modern societies. This includes WWII and any of the nations that took part in it, including nations like Poland that lost 22% of it population. What is your evidence to show native Americans on average experienced less casaulties than other late neolithic or copper cultures in the world?

[ShaMan]

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What was founded by original people was peace. Peace with the land, and peace with mankind. Yes, there were tribal and territorial skirmishes, but for the most part, they lived, and let live.

Ah, no.

1. Native Americans, particularly those of North America, didn't live in peace with the land. They practiced slash and burn land management on a scale larger than any other society we have direct evidence for. Their impact on global climate likely vastly exceed those of any other neolithic culture of which we have evidence, both in total, and by capita. They basically made America's midwest a grassy plain that it is by burning all the pre-existing forests, and then burn off the grass every year thereafter. The carbon they put into the atmosphere is thought to be a major contributor to climate change between 1st and 10th century AD.

2. There is no real evidence they lived and let live any more than other late neolithic cultures, at least not compare to pre-industrial societies. Even most peaceful neolithic tribes ever observed by anthropologists show vastly higher average rate of death from warfare than any modern or near modern societies. This includes WWII and any of the nations that took part in it, including nations like Poland that lost 22% of it population. What is your evidence to show native Americans on average experienced less casaulties than other late neolithic or copper cultures in the world?

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[FatAndFaithless]

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Ah, no.

1. Native Americans, particularly those of North America, didn't live in peace with the land. They practiced slash and burn land management on a scale larger than any other society we have direct evidence for. Their impact on global climate likely vastly exceed those of any other neolithic culture of which we have evidence, both in total, and by capita. They basically made America's midwest a grassy plain that it is by burning all the pre-existing forests, and then burn off the grass every year thereafter. The carbon they put into the atmosphere is thought to be a major contributor to climate change between 1st and 10th century AD.

2. There is no real evidence they lived and let live any more than other late neolithic cultures, at least not compare to pre-industrial societies. Even most peaceful neolithic tribes ever observed by anthropologists show vastly higher average rate of death from warfare than any modern or near modern societies. This includes WWII and any of the nations that took part in it, including nations like Poland that lost 22% of it population. What is your evidence to show native Americans on average experienced less casaulties than other late neolithic or copper cultures in the world?

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[Anomalocaris]

I trust what was faithfully handed-down from my ancestors. You are free to trust your own resources.

You know they were true in the first place, and faithly handed down afterwards, how?

[Minimalist]

Yeah - the bible was handed down and its a pile of shit.

[FatAndFaithless]

Yeah - the bible was handed down and its a pile of shit.

Yeah i was about to say... 'just believing what my ancestors said happened' sounds reeeeeally familiar..

[ShaMan]

The difference is....

My great-great-great grandfathers were there. I've personally spoken with tribal leaders of many differing 'nations' including those that 'opposed' the traditions of my own tribal blood-line.

Anglo-people have done a good job of distorting their own traditions, and it's their way to project their own methods (including twisting the truth) onto other peoples. Original People (NOT Native Americans), of all 'nations' were intent upon preserving traditions in their original format, and purity in tradition is the hallmark of our people.

Just because it suits Christians and other groups to twist and distort history, does not mean that all people are alike in this manner.

My great grandfather was there, and we had hundreds of talks while he was still living.

Let me ask... Would you presume to use self-interested, inflated and fallacious statistics to represent blacks in Harlem, or would you trust the men and women who were on the front line fighting the actual battle?

To be clear - We have no fight with white america, it is they who have a fight with us, and the vehement ignorance with with they wage this war is the clearest example of why there is no treaty between us to this day.

"America" will only be satisfied when the "red" man is subjugated completely. Gawd bless 'murica.

You may all bash and complain all you like - we were there, and WE have no reason to lie.

[Minimalist]

Native-americans were horribly treated... much as indigenous peoples everywhere were treated by conquering powers.

That said, I don't think their folklore is any more reliable than any other and oral or written does not matter. Such tales serve the needs of the authors.

[ShaMan]

Native-americans were horribly treated... much as indigenous peoples everywhere were treated by conquering powers.

Agreed.

That said, I don't think their folklore is any more reliable than any other and oral or written does not matter. Such tales serve the needs of the authors.

All emotion and personal experience aside. I've personally read manuscripts from the past 1,100 years (13 generations) of my direct forefathers, and without exception the accounts are perfectly matched without fault or alteration. The same cannot be said for most other traditions, and especially Christianity.

I'm not looking for debate, nor do I ask for sympathy. My purpose here is a peaceful one, and if my presentation of what my people call history is offensive, then perhaps the dissidence lies deeper.

I'm saying that I trust my fathers more than I trust their arbiters, and for well documented historical reasons.