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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 20, 2014 at 11:17 am
(June 20, 2014 at 11:05 am)bennyboy Wrote: There are many good arguments to be made, but this is not one of them. Law has nothing to do with moral arguments, except if you are arguing that breaking a law is intrinsically immoral. And you are not making that argument.
OK but even if you do not like that definition, which seems clear to me , the big questions still remain for our friend Heywood to answer:
Would he take away a woman's right to abort an unwanted baby?
If he thinks yes I would like him to justify why.
It's not immoral to eat meat, abort a fetus or love someone of the same sex...I think that about covers it
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 20, 2014 at 11:24 am
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(June 20, 2014 at 11:17 am)vodkafan Wrote: OK but even if you do not like that definition, which seems clear to me , the big questions still remain for our friend Heywood to answer:
Would he take away a woman's right to abort an unwanted baby?
If he thinks yes I would like him to justify why.
Why would I want to take away a woman's right to abort an unwanted baby? Killing babies is wrong.
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 20, 2014 at 11:40 am
(June 20, 2014 at 11:24 am)Heywood Wrote: (June 20, 2014 at 11:17 am)vodkafan Wrote: OK but even if you do not like that definition, which seems clear to me , the big questions still remain for our friend Heywood to answer:
Would he take away a woman's right to abort an unwanted baby?
If he thinks yes I would like him to justify why.
Why would I want to take away a woman's right to abort an unwanted baby? Killing babies is wrong.
Um, isn't that what you believe in? You're obviously against abortion , which means you must also be against women aborting unwanted fetuses. For a long time, at the start of pregnancy, it's not even conscious, let alone human, so what's the harm in stopping that? Getting abortion in the early stage is aborting a 'potential' baby, not an actual baby. You have no right to say people shouldn't be allowed to get abortions.
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 20, 2014 at 11:47 am
(June 20, 2014 at 11:24 am)Heywood Wrote: (June 20, 2014 at 11:17 am)vodkafan Wrote: OK but even if you do not like that definition, which seems clear to me , the big questions still remain for our friend Heywood to answer:
Would he take away a woman's right to abort an unwanted baby?
If he thinks yes I would like him to justify why.
Why would I want to take away a woman's right to abort an unwanted baby? Killing babies is wrong.
If it's wrong, why do you seem fine with letting women have their right to abort? Or is it the type of wrong that's not immoral but still not preferable?
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 20, 2014 at 12:14 pm
Even if you grant that abortions are immoral, what is even more immoral is infringing on a persons bodily autonomy. So the question is, is it moral or immoral to choose the lesser of two evils?
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 20, 2014 at 12:48 pm
(June 17, 2014 at 5:04 pm)Arthur123 Wrote: If fetuses are human beings than the question becomes what business is it of mothers to do with other humans bodies? The answer to me, is clear. If a fetus is a human than bodily rights must also be given to them and murder is ontologically wrong.
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 20, 2014 at 1:32 pm
I wondering how we Atheists feel about mothers aborting when they find out it's the wrong sex?
Would it be ok to abort if they knew it was going to be gay, the wrong colour or ugly?
Keep in mind that this type of decision would probably involve a male partner also.
And I'm only asking because this is where I get stuck. I'm not out to stir.
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 20, 2014 at 1:37 pm
I'd never get between a woman and her crazy. Ultimately, if we start to design our children we will be facing the same issue in a more nuanced form. Choosing female Jill means that male Jack (if he ever were to be) has been aborted.
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 20, 2014 at 2:02 pm
(June 20, 2014 at 1:32 pm)Little lunch Wrote: I wondering how we Atheists feel about mothers aborting when they find out it's the wrong sex?
Would it be ok to abort if they knew it was going to be gay, the wrong colour or ugly?
Keep in mind that this type of decision would probably involve a male partner also.
And I'm only asking because this is where I get stuck. I'm not out to stir.
"We atheists" do not have collective thoughts. I personally feel the same as any other abortion. Not my fetus, not my uterus, not my business.
Why would we have a right to ask a woman what her reason is for having an abortion?
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 20, 2014 at 2:31 pm
(June 20, 2014 at 2:02 pm)Losty Wrote: Not my fetus, not my uterus, not my business.
Bingo! And as one who does not have a uterus, I don't feel I have a dog in this fight. Leave women to make their own choices.
Unlike the moral warriors who get so worked up about abortion, I don't pretend to feel sentimental about zygotes or fetuses that don't directly share my genes.
On a side note, I also don't crusade to save the acorns because I don't believe they are really oak trees.
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