Abortion is morally wrong

[Brian37]

Brian, it seems to me that you're too emotionally invested in this subject... maybe you should take a time out.

Arthur, modus ponens, huh? I had to look it up... P imples Q, so if P is true, then Q is true.
What's your P? that a fetus is human individual? And it's wrong to kill this individual?

Hmmm.... I wonder... Do you own a gun?

No I don't have a gun, I hate guns. But I do hate assholes who try to fight for unrealistic utopias that will never exist. Outlawing abortions will simply make them more deadly and dangerous for women.

[Whateverist]

So abortion is morally wrong .. and?

[pocaracas]

Brian, it seems to me that you're too emotionally invested in this subject... maybe you should take a time out.

Arthur, modus ponens, huh? I had to look it up... P imples Q, so if P is true, then Q is true.
What's your P? that a fetus is human individual? And it's wrong to kill this individual?

Hmmm.... I wonder... Do you own a gun?

No I don't have a gun, I hate guns. But I do hate assholes who try to fight for unrealistic utopias that will never exist. Outlawing abortions will simply make them more deadly and dangerous for women.

The question was for Arthur... I should have made it more obvious... my fault!

[Arthur123]

My motus ponens is as follows:
1. It is morally impermissible to kill an innocent human being
2. A fetus is an innocent human being
3. Ergo, it is morally impermissible to kill a fetus.

Esquilax, once again, my argument has nothing to do with function whatsoever but with ontology. We do have a ethical hierarchy when it comes to other organisms if it is morally permissible to kill it or not. However, my whole argument has been based on humanity, the inconsistency, and outright arbitrariness, among what a human being actually is among pro-choice advocates.

In regards to objective morality, it is necessary proponent in this debate to accept that killing an innocent human is morally wrong. If not, than both violating a woman's bodily rights and that of her child is permissible, the conversation is a non-starter.

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"My point is that you haven't adequately argued that a fetus is in the same category as a fully grown human life, and that simply appealing to genetics doesn't solve that problem, as there are plenty of genetically human things that we see fit to kill, including whole people in some cases. Say, where they're infringing on the rights of others" Agreed, and thats why women shouldn't infringe on the rights of their children in the worst possible way.

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"So it is with the right to bodily autonomy; it needs to be applied consistently to work at all, and yet you're arguing" thats exactly what I have been arguing! Fetuses also if human beings have the right to bodily autonomy and it is the pro-choice advocate that is being inconsistent in there assertion of rights.

[Broseph Ballin]

2. A fetus is an innocent human being

No, a fetus is a fetus. That's like saying that an HIV infected cell is also an Aids infected cell, it just isn't. Fetuses eventually develop into a human, just like how HIV infected cells are eventually infected with Aids, why is this so hard for you to understand?

[Arthur123]

I understand what your saying, this entire thread I've been saying why that idea is misplaced. In order to not exhaust myself in rehashed replies, perhaps re-read some of my posts.

Kindest regards,

[rexbeccarox]

THe almighty magical skyfairy. Who else?

Thanks Beccs. That's where I'm leading:

Arthur, if your god is who decides what is objectively moral, you can't say that you don't base your argument against abortion on your religion.

Arthur, are you going to address this?

[Arthur123]

Im not basing my argument on god. Just the moral imperative that killing an innocent human being is wrong. If you deny this than I have no clue why you were arguing bodily rights in the first place

[rexbeccarox]

Im not basing my argument on god. Just the moral imperative that killing an innocent human being is wrong. If you deny this than I have no clue why you were arguing bodily rights in the first place

Just answer the question: is your god the decider of the "moral truths" you speak of, including, according to you, the personhood of a fetus?

[Arthur123]

You don't need God to decide the human rights of the fetus. My arguments have no reliance upon that