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Abortion is morally wrong
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Lol all is fair in love and war and forum debates bae
 Doesn't mean I'm annoyed with you personally. We can still be friends even if we have to agree to disagree.  (July 1, 2014 at 9:55 pm)Losty Wrote: Lol all is fair in love and war and forum debates bae What does bae mean? I don't know We are not in so much disagreement as you think. I just want people to have their rights in an equilibrium of peace. I do not want people having too many or too few rights. That is my duty as a future judge.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you
 RE: Abortion is morally wrong
July 1, 2014 at 9:59 pm
(This post was last modified: July 1, 2014 at 11:02 pm by rexbeccarox.)
To an extent, I agree with Blackout in that I don't think people should have to do things they feel morally obliged not to. Here's the thing, though: I choose not to be an executioner on death row because I have moral objections to the Death Penalty. I chose not to take that job with the NSA because I disagree with their practices (my sister jokes I'd become the next Snowden). Tell you what: doctors who are against abortions shouldn't be OB/Gyns; instead they should be podiatrists or neurologists, or allergists... dermatologists, even. I bet it's rare to never that allergists have to perform abortions. Maybe Jake will come in and tell us how many abortions he's had to perform as a podiatrist.
But, Blackout, you need to stop using anecdotal evidence (at best) for your arguments. Why are we supposed to believe that instances of abortion have gone up in Portugal? Why are we supposed to believe that med students where you live object to abortion? And even if we were to believe those things, why do they matter?  Quote:instead they should be podiatrists or neurologists, or allergists... dermatologists, even. Proctologist would be a suitable field. RE: Abortion is morally wrong
July 1, 2014 at 10:20 pm
(This post was last modified: July 1, 2014 at 10:25 pm by Dystopia.)
(July 1, 2014 at 9:59 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: To an extent, I agree with Blackout in that I don't think people should have to do things they feel morally obliged not to. Here's the thing, though: I choose not to be an executor on death row because I have moral objections to the Death Penalty. I chose not to take that job with the NSA because I disagree with their practices (my sister jokes I'd become the next Snowden). Tell you what: doctors who are against abortions shouldn't be OB/Gyns; instead they should be podiatrists or neurologists, or allergists... dermatologists, even. I bet it's rare to never that allergists have to perform abortions. Maybe Jake will come in and tell us how many abortions he's had to perform as a podiatrist. I'll start by answering your last question. Indeed they don't matter I didn't state as a fact med students object abortion, I don't have any evidence for it, merely my personal experience with one of the best med schools in my country, my personal relationships of friendship with students of that institution and what they tell me about med students perspectives corroborate the view that most students are at least not settled to being OK with abortion. This is just a conjecture for a particular case, I didn't intend to say all med students are against abortion Evidence? Can I ask if you can read in portuguese? Our national institute of statistics and other entities have made studies that corroborate the growth in abortions at least from 2007-2010, I haven't seen any studies regarding 2010-2014. It is however possible, from a purely deductive perspective to justify the growth in abortion by 3 simple factors that anyone with a minimum of economy/sociological basic knowledge will understand. 1 - An economical crisis means parents will have less money, therefore they can't have many kids 2 - Contraceptives not being free or a huge lack of information and sexual education regarding a lot of poor couples from segregated neighboors and the increase in proverty also justify this. 3 - The moment after something becomes legal, usually causes a temporary raise in demand. When abortion was illegal, not all women had clandestine abortions, many of them were afraid of consequences. By making it legal, women that didn't want to be forced to bear an unwanted child were finally able to abort and made use of such right. Is that enough for you? or do you want a translation to english from statistics? I can show you some bar graphs, online news. etc. Nevertheless, the increase or not in abortion is completely irrelevant to this discussion, as long as it is done legally. I'll have to leave now, it's 3.22AM, I'm going to bed. Good night.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you
 (July 1, 2014 at 10:05 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:instead they should be podiatrists or neurologists, or allergists... dermatologists, even. Nasal proctologists - a strange new speciality . . . 
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you
I'm sorry... what are you arguing then? You use things as if they're arguments, then say they're not your arguments.
Can you summarize what you are arguing for/against? It's getting very confusing. |
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