he knows im right, but is still a christian?

[Ksa]

One of my best friends is a christian, and we have discussions about it all the time. I have told him about the evidence for evolution, and the big bang. We have discussed the contradictions in the bible as well as the christian god having impossible characteristics. He is aware that I am right, but for some reason he just tells me to ask god why science is right, and the bible is fucked up. Why is he like this when he knows im right? How do I get him to stop believing that shit?

You can ask him if he believes that Jesus is God and then ask him where did Jesus say in the Bible "I am God" or "worship me". If he quotes John 10:30 he lost the debate.

[ignoramus]

Time to downgrade to "friend"....

[Ravenshire]

How come you in your ignorance want other people to be as ignorant as you?!

That's rich, coming from you.

[CapnAwesome]

My best friend is a baptist.

We don't talk about religion. It helps a lot.

Wow. Wouldn't have guessed that one. I guess you haven't pointed him towards these forums, eh?

[The Valkyrie]

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I have told him about the evidence for evolution, and the big bang. We have discussed the contradictions in the bible as well as the christian god having impossible characteristics.

Since you apparently have all the answers, what caused the big bang? Also what contradictions of the Bible have you discussed?

It can be difficult for those brought up in a religion to change their views.

Some creationists don't accept anyone who accepts evolution to be "true Christians™".

Creation and evolution are two entirely different subjects.

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Evolution does not explain how life was created, therefore one can believe in both creation and evolution.
That would be because evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life - that would be abiogenesis.

If that's the case, however, why do creationists want their nonsense taught alongside or, preferably, instead of evolution?

[Creed of Heresy]

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I didn't realize you were under the delusion that you thought that posting in a public forum would subject you to responses from other people.

I asked the op, two specific questions

1. what caused the big bang?
2. Also what contradictions of the Bible have you discussed?

The op clearly states he is right about both of those.

So what were his arguments to his friend concerning the big bang and bible contradictions that made him "right"?

Pay attention, child, and look up the definition of "context."

And explain what? The cause or the mechanics involving it? Because the mechanics involving it have been explained quite a bit by astrophysicists.

Oh, wait, you're the guy who said "you can believe in evolution."

Never mind, it'd be cruel of me to put such a burden of understanding upon you.

The cause.

I'm interested in how the mechanics got here in the fist place. The closest any astrophysicist has come to explaining it is this...

[hide]

Mr. Krauss summarizes his theory nicely starting at 40:46.

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As you can see, not an explanation at all.

I really hope that wasn't supposed to be an argument in favor of the bible and faith, because if so, that's like shooting yourself in the gut and saying you won the gunfight.

Faith is "knowing" it's right without having any reason to. If you don't know god exists, then there's no reason to believe god exists. That's all there is to it. To alter a famous Pulp Fiction quite: Logic, motherfucker, do you use it?

Faith and knowledge cannot coexist.

For example: let's use the phrase "leap of faith" literally. If one has knowledge or proof of where they are leaping, it is no longer a leap of faith.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith
faith
noun
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.

That's called a reference to time. Meaning that all that happened within six days. Meaning, yes, it does indeed say how long it took to create the earth; the earth was created within six days, apparently, along with everything in it, which the book of Genesis says very clearly. Which is bullshit, as science has proven beyond all doubt. So earth was created before the sixth day, the same day heaven was created? Speaking of which, where is that darned heaven...?

Read your book of delusions more carefully next time before you say something stupid like "there was no reference to time for when the earth was created!" Cuz it says, in the beginning, he created earth, and then it details that it happens over six days. Don't spit in my face and tell me it's raining.

Wrong, read it how it's written.

Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

In the first verse we see that the earth was created and no mention of how long it took.

Genesis 1
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

In the second verse the earth is clearly already established seeing how there is water upon it. The rest of the chapter is God basically "terraforming" (for lack of a better word) and placing life upon the earth. the creation of it was already done.

Yep. It was to add more stuff to the post to bury you with. Given the lackluster reply, it seems it worked.

You'll notice, by the way, that edit took place before you posted, and I notice when I was done editing, you weren't viewing the thread, so I'm really not sure what you were attempting to imply, here.

You made your edit in the time I was replying to your first post. (I'm terrible at typing

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The moment you said faith and knowledge cannot coexist with a strange sort of pride, I realized I am talking to a brick wall, aren't I?

[Huggy Bear]

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I asked the op, two specific questions

1. what caused the big bang?
2. Also what contradictions of the Bible have you discussed?

The op clearly states he is right about both of those.

So what were his arguments to his friend concerning the big bang and bible contradictions that made him "right"?

The cause.

I'm interested in how the mechanics got here in the fist place. The closest any astrophysicist has come to explaining it is this...

[hide]

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As you can see, not an explanation at all.


Faith and knowledge cannot coexist.

For example: let's use the phrase "leap of faith" literally. If one has knowledge or proof of where they are leaping, it is no longer a leap of faith.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith
faith
noun
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.



Wrong, read it how it's written.

Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

In the first verse we see that the earth was created and no mention of how long it took.

Genesis 1
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

In the second verse the earth is clearly already established seeing how there is water upon it. The rest of the chapter is God basically "terraforming" (for lack of a better word) and placing life upon the earth. the creation of it was already done.


You made your edit in the time I was replying to your first post. (I'm terrible at typing

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The moment you said faith and knowledge cannot coexist with a strange sort of pride, I realized I am talking to a brick wall, aren't I?

My explanation was very simple, but if you think you explain how faith and knowledge can in fact "coexist", I'm all ears.

[ThomM]

The moment you said faith and knowledge cannot coexist with a strange sort of pride, I realized I am talking to a brick wall, aren't I?

My explanation was very simple, but if you think you explain how faith and knowledge can in fact "coexist", I'm all ears.

There are lots of examples of how faith and knowledge can in fact co-exist.
Example - the allied armies of WWII - where people of all faiths coexisted and
cooperated in a more important common cause.

And People in many large Multi- National companies - co-exist with others of other faiths - because the Job is more important than their religion - or it may be that religion is defined by the company as a non-issue to begin with.

But - in the end - you can have friends and co-exist with people of all different faiths -or non faiths - simply because you recognize that most people are not defined by their religion.

My grandmother had a saying - there are two type of people in the world - good ones - and bad ones - and you cannot tell just by looking at them which they are. I lived in a town where most of the people I lived near - were of another faith (They were Jewish - I was not) - and we got along because we learned that this didn't matter.

[Huggy Bear]

My explanation was very simple, but if you think you explain how faith and knowledge can in fact "coexist", I'm all ears.

There are lots of examples of how faith and knowledge can in fact co-exist.
Example - the allied armies of WWII - where people of all faiths coexisted and
cooperated in a more important common cause.

And People in many large Multi- National companies - co-exist with others of other faiths - because the Job is more important than their religion - or it may be that religion is defined by the company as a non-issue to begin with.

But - in the end - you can have friends and co-exist with people of all different faiths -or non faiths - simply because you recognize that most people are not defined by their religion.

My grandmother had a saying - there are two type of people in the world - good ones - and bad ones - and you cannot tell just by looking at them which they are. I lived in a town where most of the people I lived near - were of another faith (They were Jewish - I was not) - and we got along because we learned that this didn't matter.

I don't believe you understand the discussion, read the example I posted about faith vs knowledge.

[Knowledge of God]

One of my best friends is a christian, and we have discussions about it all the time. I have told him about the evidence for evolution, and the big bang. We have discussed the contradictions in the bible as well as the christian god having impossible characteristics. He is aware that I am right, but for some reason he just tells me to ask god why science is right, and the bible is fucked up. Why is he like this when he knows im right? How do I get him to stop believing that shit?

I know your kind. You walk down the street, you are thinking about something.. you hear somewhere down the street "that's right", and you take that as answer to what you were thinking.

Realise you can do nothing on your own.