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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
January 10, 2010 at 4:34 pm
(January 10, 2010 at 4:31 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (January 10, 2010 at 4:14 pm)theVOID Wrote: Yep they're all God, but that also means that God cannot be 100% man, Father or Spirit.
No - only in your translation - in mine they're all 100% God.
All with distinct characteristics that can be seen to be one of the three acting. Whilst fully that one essence they are also fully God. So it's all an early example of morphing.
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
January 10, 2010 at 4:38 pm
(January 10, 2010 at 4:31 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (January 10, 2010 at 4:14 pm)theVOID Wrote: Yep they're all God, but that also means that God cannot be 100% man, Father or Spirit.
No - only in your translation - in mine they're all 100% God.
All with distinct characteristics that can be seen to be one of the three acting. Whilst fully that one essence they are also fully God.
This has nothing to do with translation or interpretation, it's basic math.
Father + Son + Spirit = 100%
Therefore
Father ≠ 100%
Spirit ≠ 100%
Son ≠ 100%
Father + Spirit ≠ 100%
Father + Son ≠ 100%
Spirit + Son ≠ 100%
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
January 10, 2010 at 4:38 pm
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2010 at 4:41 pm by fr0d0.)
I don't see how Rabbit. Once morphed you'd be fully one identity and not also the other two.
(January 10, 2010 at 4:38 pm)theVOID Wrote: This has nothing to do with translation or interpretation, it's basic math.
Father + Son + Spirit = 100%
Therefore
Father ≠ 100%
Spirit ≠ 100%
Son ≠ 100%
Father + Spirit ≠ 100%
Father + Son ≠ 100%
Spirit + Son ≠ 100%
If it were math you'd be correct VOID. But it isn't.
Father = God
Spirit = God
Son = God
Father ≠ Son
Father ≠ Spirit
Spirit ≠ Son
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
January 10, 2010 at 4:44 pm
So there are 3 Gods then?
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
January 10, 2010 at 4:48 pm
LMAO 
No... one God 
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
January 10, 2010 at 5:00 pm
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(January 10, 2010 at 4:38 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I don't see how Rabbit. Once morphed you'd be fully one identity and not also the other two.
(January 10, 2010 at 4:38 pm)theVOID Wrote: This has nothing to do with translation or interpretation, it's basic math.
Father + Son + Spirit = 100%
Therefore
Father ≠ 100%
Spirit ≠ 100%
Son ≠ 100%
Father + Spirit ≠ 100%
Father + Son ≠ 100%
Spirit + Son ≠ 100%
If it were math you'd be correct VOID. But it isn't.
Father = God
Spirit = God
Son = God
Father ≠ Son
Father ≠ Spirit
Spirit ≠ Son
If
Father = God
(x=1)
and
Son = God
(y=1)
Then
Father = Son
(x=y)
But then you have another problem, that being Father + Son > God...
So unless you like your theism polytheistic your still left with:
Father < God
Son < God
Spirit < God
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
January 10, 2010 at 5:00 pm
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2010 at 5:01 pm by Violet.)
But you said:
fr0d0 Wrote:Father = God
Spirit = God
Son = God
Father ≠ Son
Father ≠ Spirit
Spirit ≠ Son Which means that since F, Sp, and So are not equal to each other... and yet they are all God: there are three non-equal entities that could be called the same thing, therefore there are three of the same thing.
Compare it with this:
Dave=Person
Frank=Person
Lilly=Person
Dave≠Lilly
Frank≠Lilly
Dave≠Frank
Clearly Dave, Lilly, and Frank are all different... but they are all people. Therefore: there are three people. Same applies to F, Sp, and So
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
January 10, 2010 at 5:05 pm
But Dave, Frank and Lilly are all still 100% person are they not?
I'm a father to my boy, a son to my dad, and husband to my wife. When I'm being a father to my son, I'm enacting that role. Same for the other two. Yet I'm still fr0d0 - father, son and husband (may something strike me dead).
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
January 10, 2010 at 5:12 pm
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Each could be defined as a person (can't really use 100% here, because nobody is just a person ), but there are three of them. So if grouped together: they do not become 1 person, they become 3 people.
But you are not 100% father, son, or husband Otherwise where would the person we know as fr0d0 be?
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RE: Jesus' Sacrifice
January 10, 2010 at 5:23 pm
(January 10, 2010 at 5:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: But Dave, Frank and Lilly are all still 100% person are they not?
Yes, 3 people.
If you're from that logic the trinity is Polytheism.
Quote:I'm a father to my boy, a son to my dad, and husband to my wife. When I'm being a father to my son, I'm enacting that role. Same for the other two. Yet I'm still fr0d0 - father, son and husband (may something strike me dead).
Did you father yourself?
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