Liberal and Conservative Oversimplistic Labels?

[Natachan]

I'm in the far bottom right. Not in the extreme corner but pretty far down.

[Minimalist]

Min, you're a question away from Authoritarian! Lighten up, friend!

That's because I don't think rich cocksuckers should be free to ride roughshod over everyone else.

[vorlon13]

Socially I'm very liberal, but with the proviso if someone is advocating a conservative social creed, they damn well better be following it themselves.

Fiscally, I could see the government cutting spending 100 billion a year from the budget for 10 years in a row, and laying off upwards of a 1/3 of government employees over the next 10 years or so.

[The Grand Nudger]

The roads are shitty enough as it is. I don't have to worry about this, but it may inconvenience city folks if they pull the lever on their toilets and the turd stays in the bowl.

You might want to scale back that 1/3 cut.

[Dystopia]

Min, you're a question away from Authoritarian! Lighten up, friend!

That's because I don't think rich cocksuckers should be free to ride roughshod over everyone else.

There's a difference between thinking rich cocksuckers should be free to ride over everyone else and thinking they should share all their wealth with society, I think the same as you but my quiz resulted in right libertarian. There's a difference between not wanting a too unequal society and not wanting the rich to have their share of what they earned.

[Ryantology]

There's a difference between thinking rich cocksuckers should be free to ride over everyone else and thinking they should share all their wealth with society

The real question is whether that wealth should ever be theirs in the first place. I don't see any billionaires working thirty thousand times as hard as myself or anybody I know.

[Dystopia]

There's a difference between thinking rich cocksuckers should be free to ride over everyone else and thinking they should share all their wealth with society

The real question is whether that wealth should ever be theirs in the first place. I don't see any billionaires working thirty thousand times as hard as myself or anybody I know.

That's something that can only be checked by analyzing each case and each person. And that depends on what you think working hard is, working physically very hard is not equivalent to working hard, sometimes having a great idea for a product gives you more than working everyday very hard.

The richest people in my country have contributed by creating jobs, the richest guy in my country has a suede business and all his employers like him, he pays decent wages and gives prizes to those who work over the limit. Of course I don't know if billionaires in america are the same

[The Grand Nudger]

Did he invent suede? Have you spoken to "all of his employees"? Meh, I'd pass on the "prize" if I was instead offered a better portion of the wealth that my productivity had created. I don't want to be a complete ass here, but honestly, the scenario you put forward right there is only lacking for a gingerbread roof. I think a little mythmaking might be going on.



Boy...if it weren't for my damned guns, I might be a real lefty, eh?

[Dystopia]

Did he invent suede? Have you spoken to "all of his employees"? Meh, I'd pass on the "prize" if I was instead offered a better portion of the wealth that my productivity had created. I don't want to be a complete ass here, but honestly, the scenario you put forward right there is only lacking for a gingerbread roof. I think a little mythmaking might be going on.



Boy...if it weren't for my damned guns, I might be a real lefty, eh?

Yes, because the best way to help the poor is to make the rich poorer, and the best way to make the weak stronger is to weaken the strongest... It is a myth that redistribution of wealth will solve the unequal class problem, not to mention the conflict efficiency V equality it causes, it's more like a matter of proportionality, I'm not talking about corrupt people, but people who legitimately earned money shouldn't have to fix others' problems, specially in the private sector, in public I can accept a maximum wage.

Redistribution of wealth in europe is higher, many countries have progressive taxes, and guess what... It's not working, the poor are getting poorer in countries of crisis, in countries with super high progressive taxes rich people emigrate or create offshore accounts, same goes for the tax on the income of companies, it's too high that's why everybody put's their companies in Holland that has a 12.5% tax (including that rich guy I talked about)... Many countries have already thought in implementing a proportional tax (my bet) and instead lower the taxes on the poorer to compensate. I think ending poverty is a moral, ethical act and a necessity, but you can't end it by simply distributing wealth the socialist/marx way, you have to create stable jobs, because a huge problem arises, if the rich run out of money and get into crisis too, the same will happen with the poor.

[Ryantology]

The richest people in my country have contributed by creating jobs

And the poorest people in your country have contributed by doing those jobs. They are the ones who are putting in the time and effort creating this wealth, all of which goes to the 'creator' who graciously doles out a tiny fraction of it to those who made it for him.

I don't know how it is where you live, but in America, the corporatist mindset perpetuated by conservatives is that workers deserve none of what we get, and so should be eternally grateful for the generosity of the benevolent 'job creators'.

This is, of course, not how they always thought. 150 years ago, the conservative mindset was that having black skin meant you didn't deserve anything at all, and 120 years ago, the conservative mindset was that having white skin meant that you deserved virtually nothing at all. And they'd do it today if they could get away with it.