Abortion/Consciousness/Life

[Dystopia]

For rhythm

However the situation of hooking someone up is something that comes after and implies a number of risks, a regular pregnancy with no significant risks is not endangering life and only occupies the body for 9 months. This is what would happen if a fetus was a person, but they aren't anyway, and the reason they shouldn't be is because it would arise the problem I mentioned.

1 - I made the distinction between two scenes that are different, doing and refusing to do something is not the same

2 - A pregnancy has risks, though they were bigger in the past, but between health and human life my constitution chooses human life. There is no point in trying to counter legality

3 - I was making up a hypothetical situation, and if a fetus indeed had personhood abortion would most likely be made illegal except if there was a life risk for the bearer of the child. This is just the probable result, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it, it's just how things would be.

Where's the marginalization? The result would be identical if men carried stuff inside their balls (as you mentioned), in fact when I make considerations about abortion I put myself in the woman's shoes imagining a situation more or less similar

[The Grand Nudger]

A pregnancy has risks

Claps. There we go. We're about halfway there.....

Now apply that to this statement, also yours.

the situation of hooking someone up is something that comes after and implies a number of risks, a regular pregnancy with no significant risks is not endangering life and only occupies the body for 9 months.

Can you see how they aren't actually different in the way that you conceptualized them here? I would argue that a controlled medical procedure is orders of magnitude less risky than the hodgepodge system of conception/birth that we evolved. In fact ........that's why we have c-sections.

[Dystopia]

A pregnancy has risks

Claps. There we go. We're about halfway there.....

Now apply that to this statement, also yours.

the situation of hooking someone up is something that comes after and implies a number of risks, a regular pregnancy with no significant risks is not endangering life and only occupies the body for 9 months.

Can you see how they aren't actually different in the way that you conceptualized them here?

Sure, there are risks for both, but my law distinguishes clearly between doing something and not doing something, that was my point. Omission and positive action are different, even if the result is the same, murder by omission and qualified murder both result in death and pose risks, even though they are different and punished differently. I didn't say in terms of risks they were different, even though they are... carrying a child for 9 months may be difficult but it's a lot different than being plugged to a 2 year old for the rest of your life, and don't even try to compare both. I'd rather carry something in my testicles for 9 months than being plugged to another being for my whole life. And my point of abortion being considered illegal if a fetus was a person still stands. But fair enough, kudos to you.

[The Grand Nudger]

Just plug em in for 9 months. You're defending a tower here that you needn't defend. You obviously realize this, as your modifications left that out (until now..I guess). Meh. You have other reasons, and that's cool. I haven't been commenting on them.

[Dystopia]

Just plug em in for 9 months. You're defending a tower here that you needn't defend. You obviously realize this, as your modifications left that out (until now..I guess). Meh. You have other reasons, and that's cool. I haven't been commenting on them.

What reasons?

Even if we put 9 months to plug in, it's still different. Not doing anything is not the same as doing something. But the risks are the same.

[The Grand Nudger]

But the risks are the same.

Close enough for government work -
:the crowd goes wild!:

[Dystopia]

But the risks are the same.

Close enough - :the crowd goes wild!:

The risks are the same. So? Conceptually not doing anything is still different than doing something. But the result is the same. I wasn't arguing on that. My preoccupation was merely with a conceptual problem. Both murder by omission and qualified murder are punishable and prohibited, they are both crimes with the same result, this doesn't mean we can't make a distinction to theorize both forms...

[The Grand Nudger]

Law is coercive at best, compulsive at worst. We're still talking about "doing something" buddy. Not that this has any bearing whatsoever on the point of contention between you and the poster who suggested the 2 year old, or you and myself. If we compell the mother to carry to term and deliver - I assure you she'll feel as though something had been "done" to her.

[LastPoet]

The problem with abortion is the same with gay marriage. Those that do think it shouldn't be a choice fall under that old slippery slope that "all people will turn gay" or "women will take abortions as they take icecream". I am yet to hear a story about a woman that takes abortion lightly, and even if that is true, I would prefer that she aborted than to see a child growing in the care of such a callous person.

If anything, there are many people around that just breed destitude kids, in an effort to get more social security checks. Kids hat end up being nothing, but animals filling the newspapers of crime stories.

All of this avoiding the big point that is the supreme choice of a woman what she should do with her body. No one is advocating for abortion, people are advocating for women to have control over their bodies. EG "pro-choice"

[Dystopia]

Law is coercive at best, compulsive at worst. We're still talking about "doing something" buddy. Not that this has any bearing whatsoever on the point of contention between you and the poster who suggested the 2 year old, or you and myself.

An omission means not doing anything, that's the definition. If I refuse to do something then I am not doing anything regarding the conduct someone asked me to have. If I tell you 'Help that guy' and you reply 'No' and just stand still, you aren't doing anything, it's an omission. And your point is? I'm still waiting for you to answer a question I made about 2 posts before.

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If anything, there are many people around that just breed destitude kids, in an effort to get more social security checks. Kids hat end up being nothing, but animals filling the newspapers of crime stories.

I can feel your pain, social security checks poorly attributed are a fucking problem for us. Have you been to social security lately? It's full of 'minimum wagers lazy bums' as they are called here.