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Someone Aware Me Please?
#1
Someone Aware Me Please?
On the crap going on in Israel/Palestine/Hamas?

Literally all I know is that brown people in the eastern Mediterranean are blowing each other up. I feel so lost when people talk about this. Help a brother out.

First off - What the hell is "Palestine" anyway? A nation-state by Israel? A city in Israel? Another name for Israel? And who are Palestinians? Are they Jews? Muslims? A mix?

Secondly - What is Hamas? It's just a Muslim sect? Are they state sanctioned? And if so, by what state?

Third - why are these guys fighting? Who started it, and why? Is it only religious fervor, or is it more about territory/resources?

Fourth - who does the US government tend to support, and how?

Fifth - could this bullshit spread and suck in other powers?


Any replies are greatly appreciated Big Grin
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#2
RE: Someone Aware Me Please?
For general info on regional conflict: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mod...iddle_East

In essence: "Israel wants the right to exist as a Jewish state and wants to live in peace. Israel also recognizes that Palestinians have the right to live in peace. The problem is, Prager argues, that many Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims do not recognize the existence of the Jewish State of Israel."

Read this one first: http://www.jspacenews.com/israel-gaza-co...explained/

**Note that the f-ers at jspacenews have a Jewish bias that's really out of touch, but the article gives a brief overview of the general issue.
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#3
RE: Someone Aware Me Please?
There could be another crusade, all others turned out so well Rolleyes

When will they realize that fighting over a fantasy only brings bad things.
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(July 22, 2014 at 2:37 pm)ThePinsir Wrote: On the crap going on in Israel/Palestine/Hamas?

Literally all I know is that brown people in the eastern Mediterranean are blowing each other up. I feel so lost when people talk about this. Help a brother out.

First off - What the hell is "Palestine" anyway? A nation-state by Israel? A city in Israel? Another name for Israel? And who are Palestinians? Are they Jews? Muslims? A mix?

Secondly - What is Hamas? It's just a Muslim sect? Are they state sanctioned? And if so, by what state?

Third - why are these guys fighting? Who started it, and why? Is it only religious fervor, or is it more about territory/resources?

Fourth - who does the US government tend to support, and how?

Fifth - could this bullshit spread and suck in other powers?


Any replies are greatly appreciated Big Grin
WOW - You MIGHT want to watch the news once in awhile.
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Wow man. Going into the history of this would take up a few threads at least. Undecided
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#6
RE: Someone Aware Me Please?
They are both assholes. That's all you need to know. Don't feel tempted to take sides.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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RE: Someone Aware Me Please?
(July 22, 2014 at 2:41 pm)Amalynne0 Wrote: For general info on regional conflict: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mod...iddle_East

In essence: "Israel wants the right to exist as a Jewish state and wants to live in peace. Israel also recognizes that Palestinians have the right to live in peace. The problem is, Prager argues, that many Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims do not recognize the existence of the Jewish State of Israel."

Read this one first: http://www.jspacenews.com/israel-gaza-co...explained/

I am for a secular pluralistic state based on common law, but I will never be for any type of government constitution that sets up social pecking orders based on religion, anymore than I like it when Christians in America like stupidly claiming we are a "Christian nation".

Israel is not blameless in this. Both Palestine and Israel suffer from religious nationalism and until religion is taken out of their respective politics this shit will not stop. For anyone claiming on either side that this has nothing to do with religion is lying their ass off.
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#8
RE: Someone Aware Me Please?
I have a doubt, isn't Isreal already considered a State and recognized as such? So why this conflict? And do they want a normal secular State (first world) or a jewish theocracy?
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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RE: Someone Aware Me Please?
(July 22, 2014 at 3:20 pm)Blackout Wrote: They are both assholes. That's all you need to know. Don't feel tempted to take sides.

Both sides are being ruled by assholes, but there are secular pluralists in both populations, just simply not enough to change things. We are not a separate species which is what humans in general forget because of nationalism and religion. It is gang think.
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This little video will put everything in the proper perspective for you.






Fuck god.
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