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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 22, 2014 at 1:34 pm
@ C4RM5...
Have you thought about creating your own thread? Why not spend some time filing through this thread to find points upon which you'd like to elaborate or have further explanation given to? You could tie this up a bit more neatly if you so choose. 
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 22, 2014 at 1:36 pm
To be honest I have no idea what it woule be about. I really enjoy responding not asking. Any way can you imagine the amount of hate I would get.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 22, 2014 at 1:54 pm
(This post was last modified: September 22, 2014 at 1:58 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Was that last question directed at me, or offered as a response to my question? I'm just trying to get some clarity on why you might think that running a lottery in a lab, or flipping a coin (imagine that I also did that in a lab - the two things don't seem to be operating on different principles - I assume that if you don;t consider one to be chance you won;t consider the other to be chance) would more appropriately be considered a case of "man's influence".
I don't think that chance is the salient force involved in the origins of life - but I couldn't ignore it's effect or involvement. In the end, as before- I just don't know (no one does). Perhaps it was just chance or chance was the most powerful player in that drama....... but my money is on chemistry. Where you'd get the idea that I'm of the opinion that man was involved in this is beyond me. Last I checked, there weren;t any humans around "at the start of time" -or- at the point in which we see the origins of life.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 22, 2014 at 2:02 pm
I was trying to state a point. I have heard your view, I have my own view because they are personal belief we can't really prove or disprove them.
Any way can you imagine this isolated person in the middle of nothing flipping a coin?
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 22, 2014 at 2:09 pm
I think that you might want to reserve judgement upon what we can or cannot prove or disprove. I doubt that you actually hold a belief which is unfalsifiable.
What isolated person in the middle of nothing? I'm in a lab, flipping a coin. I suppose I could be alone, but whether I'm an isolated individual or in the thick of 100 other sweaty bodies.....I don't see the relevance.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 22, 2014 at 2:11 pm
I hold my beliefs, but as I have been told may of timesmthey are just a claim.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 22, 2014 at 2:14 pm
Nothing wrong with claims, we all make them.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 22, 2014 at 2:15 pm
Thanks for agreeing.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 22, 2014 at 2:22 pm
(September 22, 2014 at 1:36 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Any way can you imagine the amount of hate I would get. Hate is a choice. No one likes being judged
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 22, 2014 at 2:29 pm
(September 21, 2014 at 12:24 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: (September 21, 2014 at 12:16 pm)Stimbo Wrote: And how would we go about determining the truth value of the bible? Dying seems a little extreme; particularly if you're gambling your entire life on the outcome.
I think the way to understand the true value of the Bible is to read and study it. It does seem a little extreme, but I am not really woreied about it. If I die and God does exist I know where I'll be.
I was a Christian when I set out to read the Bible through, cover-to-cover, which I did, twice (KJV and Living Bible). I was no longer a Christian when I finished that project (though not yet an atheist).
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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