A question about the love of god

[John V]

What grapes is sour?

You think Rhythm wants there to be demons and is is making them out to be bad things because he can't have them? Or perhaps he sees demon possessed people everywhere he looks and is making casting them out sound bad, because it can't be done? Or wait, maybe he's demon possessed himself and thinks keeping the little guy as a pet would be a good idea, because he can't get rid of him.

Aesop's Tale of the Fox and the Grapes

No, I think he was unable to support his position that those people attributed all disease to demons, and instead of acknowledging it or just dropping it, made a well demons don't even exist anyway post. It's become common on the boards and it's sad. Yes, we know you guys don't believe in God, demons, etc.

[The Grand Nudger]

I did support it, and there is ample support from others in this thread (and a deafening roar of information in this regard from cultures all over the globe) - but that doesn't mean that those people's beliefs were accurate.

Troll.

[Brakeman]

No, I think he was unable to support his position that those people attributed all disease to demons..

ooohf ! What a caveat!!!

Such dishonesty!

[The Grand Nudger]

Meh, I ignored it, he knows what he did...lol. Especially since my entry along these lines makes explicit mention that this was not what those people believed at all.

again, Troll.

[The Grand Nudger]

Now, I don't want to do those peoples any disservice - they also had physicians, which suggests that they didn't view -all- disease as being demonic in origin (simply that demons -could- cause disease under their conceptualization- and not always by posession).

Four, fucking, pages.....ago. For those wondering.

[Brakeman]

1. What about the demon possessed boy's own free will?? 2. How fair is it for a boy to risk eternal damnation by being unable to rid himself of the demon without jesus' help? Because the demons can evidentially control the victim's mind, a second person, the exorcist, becomes necessary. 3. Why doesn't the devil fill us all with demons? 4.Is there a shortage?
5. Where can we atheists go to pick out our own demon? 6. Why are the demons as described in the bible extinct today?
7. Could they not evolve? 8. What powers a demon? 9.Is it powered by the lesser light of the moon, via falso-synthesis?

10. Have you read the book of demonology written by King James? Yes! That king James!
http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/kjd/

Here's what he had to say on the subject:

WEL, I haue told you now all my doubts, and ye haue satisfied me therein, concerning the first of these two kindes of spirites that ye haue conjoyned. Now I am to inquire onely two thinges at you concerning the last kinde, I meane the Dæmoniackes. The first is, whereby shal these possessed folks be discerned fra them that ar trubled with a natural Phrensie or Manie. The next is, how can it be that they can be remedied by the Papistes Church, whome wee counting as Hereticques, it should appeare that one Deuil should not cast out an other, for then would his kingdome be diuided in it selfe, as CHRIST said.[1]

EPI. As to your first question; there are diuers symptomes, whereby that heauie trouble may be discerned from a naturall sickenesse, and speciallie three, omitting the diuers vaine signes that the Papistes attributes vnto it: Such as the raging at holie water, their fleeing a back from the Croce, their not abiding the hearing of God named, and innumerable such like vaine thinges that were alike fashious and feckles to recite. But to come to these three symptomes then, whereof I spake, I account the one of them to be the incredible strength of the possessed creature, which will farre exceede the strength of six of the wightest and wodest of any other men that are not so troubled. The next is the

[1. Mat. 12 Mark. 3]

All of this from the guy whose name is proudly on your bible's cover..

Out of the 10 questions I asked, you responded with one deflection, and two non sequiturs.

What about the demon possessed boy's own free will?? How fair is it for a boy to risk eternal damnation by being unable to rid himself of the demon without jesus' help?

Jesus did help.

Because the demons can evidentially control the victim's mind, a second person, the exorcist, becomes necessary. Why doesn't the devil fill us all with demons? Is there a shortage?
Where can we atheists go to pick out our own demon? Why are the demons as described in the bible extinct today?

As already noted, since there wasn't such demon possession in the OT, it seems that it happened as a challenge to Jesus and his followers.

Could they not evolve?

They apparently think they can.

What's with the dishonesty of pretending blindness and picking over the biting questions? Why can't you say " Gosh! that is a problem with my thinking," or at least a more honest "I don't have an answer for that but I'm not willing to give up my crazy delusion just yet."

[John V]

ooohf ! What a caveat!!!

Such dishonesty!

No dishonesty, just poor memory. It was actually you who made that claim, and claimed it for the rest of the board:

Your implied claim is that the bible doesn't equate disease and sickness with demon possession, contrary to the obvious and accepted opinion on this board.

[Brakeman]

ooohf ! What a caveat!!!

Such dishonesty!

No dishonesty, just poor memory. It was actually you who made that claim, and claimed it for the rest of the board:

Your implied claim is that the bible doesn't equate disease and sickness with demon possession, contrary to the obvious and accepted opinion on this board.

Are you lying or just that dimwitted? Did you notice that I colored and enlarged the word "ALL?" The "caveat" that I was referring to was that no one claims that All diseases were demon possessions nor that all demon possessions resulted in disease like symptoms. Did you even read the first section of King James' Demonology that stated that there were normal diseases and demon possession diseases?
This is speaking about what the bible says in the verses that mention demon possession and in many of these verses it does describe the person as stricken with with a disease that is healed by the exorcism of the demon.

Matthew 12:22King James Version (KJV)
22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.

Matthew 9:32-33King James Version (KJV)
32 As they went out, behold, they brought to him a dumb man possessed with a devil.
33 And when the devil was cast out, the dumb spake: and the multitudes marvelled, saying, It was never so seen in Israel.

Furthermore you extend your streak of issue avoidance, which is not memory related, but dishonest still.

[John V]

Are you lying or just that dimwitted? Did you notice that I colored and enlarged the word "ALL?" The "caveat" that I was referring to was that no one claims that All diseases were demon possessions nor that all demon possessions resulted in disease like symptoms.

You did, and you said it's the accepted opinion on this board:

Your implied claim is that the bible doesn't equate disease and sickness with demon possession, contrary to the obvious and accepted opinion on this board.

Furthermore you extend your streak of issue avoidance, which is not memory related, but dishonest still.

I never promised to answer every question posed. When someone lobs 10 questions at me in a single post, I generally don't address them all. Deal with it.

[Brakeman]

Are you lying or just that dimwitted? Did you notice that I colored and enlarged the word "ALL?" The "caveat" that I was referring to was that no one claims that All diseases were demon possessions nor that all demon possessions resulted in disease like symptoms.

You did, and you said it's the accepted opinion on this board:

Your implied claim is that the bible doesn't equate disease and sickness with demon possession, contrary to the obvious and accepted opinion on this board.

Now I see why you are a christian, you are as dense as a board and your little mind can only interpret words to mean what you want them to say.

The quote of my phrase does not say ALL disease is demon possession, it just says the bible does this, meaning at least once, and I gave a couple of examples of it. If I said that you eat chicken, that does not imply that you eat exclusively chicken.

My quip about your "caveat" of All disease, expressively makes the point that it was not all disease that was considered demon possession.
It would not make any sense at all any other way.

Perhaps it is that you are too lazy to look up the definition of "caveat?"

Full Definition of CAVEAT
1
a : a warning enjoining one from certain acts or practices
b : an explanation to prevent misinterpretation
c : a modifying or cautionary detail to be considered when evaluating, interpreting, or doing something

Furthermore you extend your streak of issue avoidance, which is not memory related, but dishonest still.

I never promised to answer every question posed. When someone lobs 10 questions at me in a single post, I generally don't address them all. Deal with it.

True, The board has rules against spamming and the purpose of these forums is to discuss and debate. If you are just here to smear your christian bullshit without a true attempt to discuss it, maybe you should take that idea up with one of the mods.