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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 11, 2014 at 6:51 am
(September 10, 2014 at 2:17 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: So Brian, let's try and get an answer...
What evidence do I need to believe in God?
From your point of view, none. But that is because you are not relying on anything real to insure quality of data. Believers of all religions and all god claims do this.
"Evidence" in reality isn't something that you feel or brings you comfort, evidence is that which has been tested and proven outside the bias of club labels. Only one method in human history can do that.
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 11, 2014 at 7:35 am
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Yes and I use evidence thoroughly where it is appropriate. It just isn't appropriate to discover anything either for or against religion.
Good, quality information is what we need. We need to know exactly so that we can make informed decisions. In lots of cases information without evidence is all we can have. Humans have relied on this since we first were able to think.
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 11, 2014 at 7:53 am
(September 11, 2014 at 6:04 am)fr0d0 Wrote: All of reality is evidence Simon. Go test it, it's real. Could you prove God and destroy all religions that say he isn't testable in one fell swoop? I'll let you figure that one out. Wolfie and Brian: I'll let you guys off 
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 11, 2014 at 8:26 am
(September 11, 2014 at 7:35 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Yes and I use evidence thoroughly where it is appropriate. It just isn't appropriate to discover anything either for or against religion.
Good, quality information is what we need. We need to know exactly so that we can make informed decisions. In lots of cases information without evidence is all we can have. Humans have relied on this since we first were able to think.
I suggest you read God: The Failed Hypothesis, by Victor J. Stenger for an appropriate and powerful counter-argument to that.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 11, 2014 at 8:42 am
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A counter argument to thinking? Hmm
Took a look at that book. Empty nonsense. A whole book wasted on what can't be known, "the illogical pursuit of evidence for the non physical" would be a better title. OK if you want to confirm your bias. But critical thinkers avoid.
Now how about you check out a recommendation from me? Open your mind to a view that differs from your own.
http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Th...edir_esc=y
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 11, 2014 at 9:50 am
You read the entire book in 16 minutes? Impressive.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 11, 2014 at 11:44 am
It's a book of commonly expressed ideas with no conclusion of worth. The guy makes the fundamental error of addressing only the lowest common denominator of belief and lazily applying it to the whole. I flipped through it again in greater depth only to confirm my suspicions.
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 11, 2014 at 12:11 pm
In 16 minutes
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 11, 2014 at 6:29 pm
(September 11, 2014 at 8:26 am)Chas Wrote: (September 11, 2014 at 7:35 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Yes and I use evidence thoroughly where it is appropriate. It just isn't appropriate to discover anything either for or against religion.
Good, quality information is what we need. We need to know exactly so that we can make informed decisions. In lots of cases information without evidence is all we can have. Humans have relied on this since we first were able to think.
I suggest you read God: The Failed Hypothesis, by Victor J. Stenger for an appropriate and powerful counter-argument to that.
And "The New Atheism" by the Victor Stenger, and "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 11, 2014 at 6:46 pm
You made me laugh Brian 
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