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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 12, 2014 at 7:58 pm
(September 12, 2014 at 6:56 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You keep telling me that Bri without addressing my responses. Like I said, your mind is closed. Enough said.
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Your mind is close to Thor, and Allah and Vishnu and how much time do you waste calling yourself "closed minded" for rejecting those claims? Are you wrong for rejecting those claims?
It is not a matter of being "closed minded" it is a matter of your failure to see that when those books and gods were invented no one knew any better back then. We have much better tools and data to measure the nature of reality now.
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 13, 2014 at 12:55 am
There is no one who can prove there is a god, and there is no one who can prove there isn't a god, so we should not argue over such things, but if it affects our way of living in peace and harmony then yes we shout question it.
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 13, 2014 at 3:02 am
Simon: I've said as much myself. Nothing new or controversial there. Perhaps you think I don't know that. Or that it contradicts my beliefs?
What was realised "back then" Bri hasn't been improved upon. You think the bible was a science book and the Flintstones was a documentary. There's no swaying you from that. I wish you happiness.
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 13, 2014 at 8:03 am
Address what Brian actually said. You called him closed minded, now he has shown you 3 gods that you don't believe exist, so now you must admit that he isn't close-minded, or you are just as close-minded as he is. Which is it?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 13, 2014 at 8:40 am
If either of you had responded to my initial reply I might be disposed to oblige a further question. As things stand, you can both go jump.
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 13, 2014 at 8:44 am
What was this initial reply?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 13, 2014 at 9:06 am
(September 13, 2014 at 12:55 am)psychoslice Wrote: There is no one who can prove there is a god, and there is no one who can prove there isn't a god, so we should not argue over such things, but if it affects our way of living in peace and harmony then yes we shout question it.
UGGGGGGGG! This has to be the most abused grade school logic I see constantly. No one has the guts to admit where this is coming from.
This attitude is coming from your evolutionary sense of empathy and fair play. No one is talking about human rights. This is about claims and how good logic works.
There is not one ethical scientist I can think of that will ever claim to know everything, but that has NOTHING to do with past and current claims.
Not knowing what the future might bring as far as evidence is not a licence to dwell in the past and cling go claims of invisible super hero claims. Not all claims are equal nor by proxy of utterance does that make a claim true.
Here is what you are doing by your good intent of fair play, which is still flawed logic.
"We dont know for sure so invisible pink unicorns exist until we prove they do not exist".
There are an infinite number of bullshit claims one could fill in the gaps because the future is not here yet. But it is still gap filling.
STEPHEN HAWKINS, "A god is NOT required"
Not only is a god not required we know that humans are notorious for making up all sorts of gods and falsely believing them to be true.
Now in scientific reality we know the only place we find cognition is in EVOLUTION. Postulating a fictional super hero with no brain and no body is like pretending you have an invisible car with no car or even an engine that runs on pixy dust.
It boils down to "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a party".
Since we do not know the future that means Angelina Jolie will someday give me a blowjob. Now how much time do you waste considering that "posibility"? YOU don't.
Which makes more sense to you? A magical sky hero exists? Or humans make them up and falsely believe in them? How much time do you dwell on Thor existing because you have not lived the future yet?
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 13, 2014 at 9:16 am
Physical existence isn't the question. As there is no one that has proof. I cannot know, and neither can you. It's childish to cite any number of imaginary alternatives that cannot be proven. Doing so is avoiding the actual problem at hand.
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 13, 2014 at 9:21 am
(This post was last modified: September 13, 2014 at 9:21 am by Brian37.)
"Allah exists until you prove he does not exist"
"Yahweh exists until you prove he does not exist"
"Vishnu exists until you prove he does not exist"
"Invisible pink unicorns exist until you prove they do not exist"
"My penis is 50 feet long until you prove it is not 50 feet long"
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 13, 2014 at 9:22 am
(September 13, 2014 at 9:16 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Physical existence isn't the question. As there is no one that has proof. I cannot know, and neither can you. It's childish to cite any number of imaginary alternatives that cannot be proven. Doing so is avoiding the actual problem at hand.
So are both of you close-minded or are neither of you?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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