Let us come home

[lifesagift]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world...197191.ece

Is this for real? or Journos on a drought?

[The Valkyrie]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world...197191.ece

Is this for real? or Journos on a drought?

If true, tough shit.

I've been reading articles where European nations have been arresting people who want to go and fight for the animals of ISIS. I say let them go and then revoke their citizenship.

Odds are the stupid pricks will be killed and, if they're not, let them rot in the shithole they murdered for.

[lifesagift]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world...197191.ece

Is this for real? or Journos on a drought?

If true, tough shit.

I've been reading articles where European nations have been arresting people who want to go and fight for the animals of ISIS. I say let them go and then revoke their citizenship.

Odds are the stupid pricks will be killed and, if they're not, let them rot in the shithole they murdered for.

Yep all the common sense agrees with you, but the law doesn't. You can't take a passport off of someone and leave them homeless...

[The Valkyrie]

If true, tough shit.

I've been reading articles where European nations have been arresting people who want to go and fight for the animals of ISIS. I say let them go and then revoke their citizenship.

Odds are the stupid pricks will be killed and, if they're not, let them rot in the shithole they murdered for.

Yep all the common sense agrees with you, but the law doesn't. You can't take a passport off of someone and leave them homeless...

Unfortunately there are laws . . . and there's justice.

Not always the same thing.

[lifesagift]

No, you can't legally make someone without a state as their home, even if they kill babies for fun....!

[Jaysyn]

Yep all the common sense agrees with you, but the law doesn't. You can't take a passport off of someone and leave them homeless...

No, you can't legally make someone without a state as their home, even if they kill babies for fun....!

Edward Snowden would disagree with you.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

If true, tough shit.

I've been reading articles where European nations have been arresting people who want to go and fight for the animals of ISIS. I say let them go and then revoke their citizenship.

Odds are the stupid pricks will be killed and, if they're not, let them rot in the shithole they murdered for.

Yep all the common sense agrees with you, but the law doesn't. You can't take a passport off of someone and leave them homeless...

Actually you can take a passport off of someone. For the world cup known and prosecuted football hooligans had their passports and travel rights restricted effectively banning them leaving the country.

The UN convention on the reduction of statelessness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_...telessness) does allow for passports and citizenship to be revoked if the individuals in questions are deemed to be a threat to the state's security. It's a debatable point as the convention is entirely subjective: http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/4bbf387d2.pdf

However, the Office
has never clearly defined what de facto statelessness is, nor what the legal and operational
responses to de facto statelessness should be. In this respect, it should be noted that whereas
an international treaty regime has been developed for addressing problems of de jure
statelessness – including most notably the 1954 and 1961 Statelessness Conventions – there
is no such legally binding regime at the global level for de facto stateless persons who are not
refugees.5

(Direct quote, formatting needed).

There's room for interpretation, but there is certainly a possibility that their passports and their citizenship can be revoked. These fighters, as above, would be labelled as de facto stateless which, if the above interpretation is taken as given, would mean there is scope within the convention to make them as such. Paradoxically perhaps, that could almost in turn legitimise the "IS" as presumably the guys who have out there to fight would identify with the IS as their new 'nation state' (if that were possible). Whilst obviously IS is not recognised as anything other than a terrorist organisation, it doesn't stop them identifying it as a legitimate state. Of course, legitimacy is an act in crowd approval so, go figure where that would leave the legal position.

No, you can't legally make someone without a state as their home, even if they kill babies for fun....!

As above, technically you can.

[Diablo]

I had a quick look at the article and I don't think it says that they were fighting for IS, just for the opposition to Assad. Those are the people we support (I think).

There can't be a blanket ban on Brits fighting abroad or they wouldn't be allowed to join the armed forces of friendly countries. If some enrolled in the Iraqui militias that are fighting IS then we would applaud, I suppose.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Article doesn't make clear who they're fighting for. But I'm not subscribed to the times so I can't read it all.

IS is classed as a banned terrorist organisation in the UK so anyone who goes out to fight for them or even supports them in anything other than voice/debate (eg / gives financial aid) is breaking the law.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/sy..._final.pdf

[Diablo]

Yeah, I don't subscribe either. But for sure you can't fight for people like that. Just making the point that you can't ban all Brits who fight abroad.