Atheistic Dogma- Scientific Fundamentalism

[Surgenator]

[The Grand Nudger]

Yes the lighter is one with all there is, so it must also be one in consciousness, not the mind conscious, but so called super consciousness, or the ocean of consciousness, there is nothing outside of this consciousness.

So a consciousness not at all like the consciousness we might be referring to when we use the word consciousness regarding whatever it is we have? Sounds like a convoluted no, to be honest. But lay that aside.

It's simply not possible that some "superconsciousness" is present somewhere - but that it isn't comprised of every little thing that might be in my hand? As in, the ocean is there, but the lighter is just dross floating in it, not a part of it? Maybe it's made out of a bunch of stuff, but -not- lighters? Why must they be included? What about lighters, or any specific thing, leads you to state that they are "one in consciousness" or "one with all that is" I mean, clearly the lighter isn't one -with me, or you-....is it?

[psychoslice]

Yes the lighter is one with all there is, so it must also be one in consciousness, not the mind conscious, but so called super consciousness, or the ocean of consciousness, there is nothing outside of this consciousness.

So a consciousness not at all like the consciousness we might be referring to when we use the word consciousness regarding whatever it is we have? Sounds like a convoluted no, to be honest. But lay that aside.

It's simply not possible that some "superconsciousness" is present somewhere - but that it isn't comprised of every little thing that might be in my hand? As in, the ocean is there, but the lighter is just dross floating in it, not a part of it? Maybe it's made out of a bunch of stuff, but -not- lighters? Why must they be included? What about lighters, or any specific thing, leads you to state that they are "one in consciousness"?

that's Ok if you think that, but I see it all as one, nothing separate, there are so called separate parts in our body, but in reality the body also is one, its all working in one unity, one harmony. Drop the mind, the senses that separate all, and there you have it.

[ShaMan]

[psychoslice]

He he, that's funny and cute ShaMan.

[The Grand Nudger]

that's Ok if you think that, but I see it all as one, nothing separate, there are so called separate parts in our body, but in reality the body also is one, its all working in one unity, one harmony. Drop the mind, the senses that separate all, and there you have it.

Right, until it's not and one organ just destroys you because it isn't "working in one unity" at all, and may never have been (if this is even a lucid way of describing how our bodies function to begin with....)

But yeah, I'm okay you're okay, we're all okay - and we have thoughts...okay.

You and I are one, and you, I and the lighter in my hand are one, in what has to be the most unsatisfying menage a trois I've ever personally been a participant in? So..how do you know where I end, and you begin. Are you actually stating your own opinions when I ask you questions or are you just stating my opinions which I have conveniently supplied you with - being that we are one? Is there any difference? Do you have opinions, or are they all just my opinions? In fact, if you and I are "one"....maybe there just isn't any you at all, only me. You're a lesser hobgoblin of my mind. Do you think it would be fair to propose that, and how accurate do you think that proposition may turn out to be?

Amusingly, if you and I are one with the lighter.....why is it that only I seem to be able to manipulate it right now (or can you give it a quarter turn to the left for me, followed by an end to end flip)?

[psychoslice]

that's Ok if you think that, but I see it all as one, nothing separate, there are so called separate parts in our body, but in reality the body also is one, its all working in one unity, one harmony. Drop the mind, the senses that separate all, and there you have it.

Right, until it's not and one organ just destroys you because it isn't "working in one unity" at all, and may never have been (if this is even a lucid way of describing how our bodies function to begin with....)

But yeah, I'm okay you're okay, we're all okay - and we have thoughts...okay.

You and I are one, and you, I and the lighter in my hand are one, in what has to be the most unsatisfying menage a trois I've ever personally been a participant in? So..how do you know where I end, and you begin. Are you actually stating your own opinions when I ask you questions or are you just stating my opinions which I have conveniently supplied you with - being that we are one? Is there any difference? Do you have opinions, or are they all just my opinions? In fact, if you and I are "one"....maybe there just isn't any you at all, only me. You're a lesser hobgoblin of my mind. Do you think it would be fair to propose that, and how accurate do you think that proposition may turn out to be?

Your making it all sound like its rocket science, its all natural, we are all one and this we call the Cosmos, that's about how much I can say, because whatever I say isn't going to be the truth. The truth is not a concept, its what is, you can experience it all in what is called an enlightenment experience, but that also isn't what is, its secondary to that which is.

[The Grand Nudger]

LOL, I don't think that any of this sounds like rocket science at all Slice....what is it that you think rocket science is? What's all natural and how have you determined that this is so? How are we all one....and what is a "we" if there is only one? I mean...personally...I can say with certainty that I'm not "one with the cosmos" [que shitty drum music and patchouli stench]. If you are, that is interesting, but I'm not...and if you're something that I'm not....then it doesn't sound like we're "one" after all, eh?

Where do I go get some of this "enlightenment experience" business that you are incapable of expressing? Where did you get it (how much did it set you back..and what's their policy on returns)?

[psychoslice]

LOL, I don't think that any of this sounds like rocket science at all Slice....what is it that you think rocket science is? What's all natural and how have you determined that this is so? How are we all one....and what is a "we" if there is only one? I mean...personally...I can say with certainty that I'm not "one with the cosmos" [que shitty drum music and patchouli stench]. If you are, that is interesting, but I'm not...and if you're something that I'm not....then it doesn't sound like we're "one" after all, eh?

Where do I go get some of this "enlightenment experience" business that you are incapable of expressing? Where did you get it (how much did it set you back..and what's their policy on returns)?

That's Ok, we are all where we are, I am where I am and you are where you are. Its ok if you think we are all separate, that's how its suppose to be, that is why we have our senses to feel through life, but we are more than that, its up to you to discover that, and if you don't then that's ok also, its no big deal and its not a race to the finish.

[The Grand Nudger]

That's Ok, we are all where we are, I am where I am and you are where you are. Its ok if you think we are all separate, that's how its suppose to be, that is why we have our senses to feel through life, but we are more than that, its up to you to discover that, and if you don't then that's ok also, its no big deal and its not a race to the finish.

But we're one, how could we be in separate places simultaneously? You're wherever I am, and I;m wherever you are. I'm wondering if there's actually anything to discover or whether you just decided that it was time to inject some platitudinous bullshit that you weren't willing to stand up for.....or had never actually considered in any way whatsoever before having uttered it.

Looking like a bit of both at present. Bravo? All for what...because you wanted to say that a lighter was conscious. For fucks sake man.....