World war 3

[lifesagift]

Wow, didn't expect so an expansive non-answer.. it's ok cleverly shouting someone down, but have you got anything to put in it's place?

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You've made a connection that's not there... IS want me to convert or die, Israel is happy if I leave them to it !

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Boru, your attitude to me is not acceptable... let's redraw the line and at least try to be civil. The use of the word "miniscule" is unfair...


I am happy to discuss anything with you... can we try again my friend?

Einstein (I believe) once said that a textbook definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. So, no, I don't see any point in 'trying again'.

And don't throw the word 'friend' at me so freely. That is not acceptable to me (see what I did there?).

Boru

Boru, I misjudged the level of your unfriendliness.. sorry!

And I don't realise or care too much at which point we parted company...

However, I am still interested in a sensible debate on stuff... if you can lay off the posturing for a while...

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Boru, I misjudged the level of your unfriendliness.. sorry!

And I don't realise or care too much at which point we parted company...

However, I am still interested in a sensible debate on stuff... if you can lay off the posturing for a while...

Well, look back over our interactions on this forum. If you can't spot why I'm feel less than friendly towards you, that's your lookout.

I'll engage in sensible debate when you say something sensible.

This isn't 'posturing'. If I were posturing, I'd be nice to you.

Boru

[lifesagift]

Boru, if I'm honest, I have posted a few things on this forum and I've had a few responses.... some agreeable, some not so !

And that's the nature of such a website..

And in keeping, your importance in my posts is lost.... I don't know you, and you're not a mod.. so why are you in my face?
I don't know you, don't care for you, but I am open to reconciliation... hence me offering an olive branch...

If that's untenable, le's move away, otherwise, where did we go wrong? It's lost on me me mate !

[Zidneya]

Wow, didn't expect so an expansive non-answer.. it's ok cleverly shouting someone down, but have you got anything to put in it's place?

Just because I dunno how to solve the extremist Islamic problems doesn't mean I'm willing to condone another world war pal. I'm sorry but if you want to convince me that a world war is necessary you're gonna have to do better than: "Because ISIS is evil."
Now you want to debate

However, I am still interested in a sensible debate on stuff... if you can lay off the posturing for a while...

Then debate. You already heard my points.

• And why should we change a Islamic genocide for an American one?Because when we say intervene you know how many blood will be spilled? By us. Remember our enemies at the end of the day are still humans.
  
• Or do you think that the ones who will die in that war will be only soldiers?
  
• Or that the conflict will be only on the battlefield?
  
• And you think that if a country were the majority are Christians(as America) suppress an Islamic country won't be misinterpreted as a religious dominance?
  
• Oh and let's not forget. That you assume that we can win that war because?
  

[lifesagift]

Zidneya, unfortunately I don't have time to spend meticulously responding to the dozens of points you've made.

I started to read you last post and realise where we differ... it seems that we both spot the IS genocide, but I think where we differ is on the appropriateness or the subtlety of the word genocide. For example, Wikipedia says this:
"Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or a significant part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group via the (a) Killing of members of the group; (b) Causing of serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; © Deliberate inflicting on the group's conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing of measures intended to prevent births within the group; or (e) Forcible transferring of children of the group to another group."

And in the sense of the word you are right to say that the US and the UN are committing genocide on IS.

But lets look at why both sides are committing genocide.

IS are extreme muslims who want to enforce the caliphate, and create the true islam (in their eyes) in the land that they can take in the religious jihad. And the genocide is whatever it needs to be in order to get the sharia in place.

Whereas, the UN (hopefully) will commit genocide (of the religious sort) and destroy the barbaric, parasitic, evil scum that call themselves IS, so that all humans on this planet realise that we have a basis for human rights and liberty, and they will transcend all religions and politics.

[Chas]

There isn't going to be a WWIII, not in the same kind of way as the wars at the beginning of the 20th century. The west is no longer willing to fight that kind of total war and this area doesn't have the military power to pose that kind of threat. The issue is that the culture over there is behind by about 60-100 years. They know we won't crush them. They want to create violence and chaos. And we shouldn't get sucked into that.

Honestly, we should just let the area sort itself out. Open up trade and allow western media in. Eventually it will sort itself out.

More like 400 years. They have yet to experience The Enlightenment,

[Anomalocaris]

Neither has 2/3 of the rest of the world, or 90% of the Republican Party.

[Silver]

War is an option only for weak men.

[lifesagift]

There isn't going to be a WWIII, not in the same kind of way as the wars at the beginning of the 20th century. The west is no longer willing to fight that kind of total war and this area doesn't have the military power to pose that kind of threat. The issue is that the culture over there is behind by about 60-100 years. They know we won't crush them. They want to create violence and chaos. And we shouldn't get sucked into that.

Honestly, we should just let the area sort itself out. Open up trade and allow western media in. Eventually it will sort itself out.

More like 400 years. They have yet to experience The Enlightenment,

And the parents of Foley, Sotloff and Haines, would they have wanted to wait until the area "sorted itself out"?

[The Valkyrie]

Personally, I think it's time!

The jihadists are mobilised, and have secured billions of dollars and much military hardware. The caliphate is their aim, the west is literally asleep to it all!

It is (IMHO) time to strike back in no uncertain terms...

Obama is a blocker for sure (as Is any mainstream politician!..) but someone needs to move and remove this onerous threat and ASAP !

While it's obvious that the fundamentalists hate us, the biggest victims of Islamic fundamentalism are actually Muslims.