In need of a more humbleness. Why condemning the Theistic position makes no sense.

[Celestine]

When theists stop claiming to know the will of their god and trying to impose it on the rest of us, I will then try to be more "humble"

That sir is a generalization, mosts theists don't claim to know the will of their god other than what was written in ancient tomes

KORAN commands to kill infidels:

So it allows you to marry Christians and Jews but commands you to kill them as well?

He didn't post the entire quotes of those verses, I've read a bit of the Quran and I can tell you the ones he posted where it actually talks about killing are in self-defense when they themselves are being killed or attacked.

For example 2:191/2:193 the entire verse is

2:193 Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not commit aggression: God loves not the aggressors. slay them wherever you fall upon them, and expel them from where they had expelled you; apostasy by force is indeed more serious than slaying. Do not fight them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight you therein. If they fight you therein, slay them: such is the reward for unbelievers. But if they desist, then God is All-Forgiving, Compassionate to each. Fight them until there is no longer forced apostasy, and the religion is God's. If they desist, no aggression is permitted, except against the wicked. A Holy Month will substitute for a Holy Month, and sacrilege calls for retaliation. Whoever commits aggression against you, retaliate against him in the same measure as he committed against you. Fear God and knows that God stands by the pious.

The rest of his quotes from Islam is pretty much just the condemnation of unbelievers by god, not promoting violence.

I agree atheists need to be more humble and there are things GOOD things that we can learn from religion, unlike many of the atheists here I think I'm the only one who holds this opinion.

Humility is a virtue something which I strive for because I have in the past looked at myself as higher and better than everyone else. Still do now but not to the same extent.

One of my main interests in religion though is prayer/meditation.

[ShaMan]

Well if you look at the verse in my signature, it shows all good people will enter paradise. Those who do good will enter paradise.

Even by the sword of allah, held in the hand of a man.

Yes, I know what your book says

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I agree atheists Humans need to be more humble and there are things GOOD things that we can learn from religion each other...

(quote altered, emphasis added)

...unlike many of the atheists here I think I'm the only one who holds this opinion.

That sir is a generalization...

How very humble of you

ETA: In an entirely dualistic sense.

[Mystic]

So it allows you to marry Christians and Jews but commands you to kill them as well?

And what about Buddhists? and Shintoists? and Mormons? and Shamans?and Atheists? does Allah allows them to marry them as well?

Because last time I checked Islam, it is permissible, though being makruh tahrimi, for Muslim males to marry the females from among the People of the Book(Christian and Jewish women, but then again what about all the others I mentioned?) and only if they must be chaste and all of the children must be brought up Muslim.
But that's because its a misogynistic rule since women are seen as object of breed because when the female is the Muslim and the male belongs to someone else. Oh that's when it comes interesting.
Islamic scholars generally forbid Muslim women from marrying non-Muslim men. This prohibition serves to preserve the Islamic faith from dilution and expand it, within societies which are patriarchal but multi-faith. It effectively ensures that over many generations, providing that the society is patriarchal, Islam would naturally gain in adherents relative to other co-existing religions, through its ability to secure the adherence of all offspring from mixed marriages. In effect, all children of any mixed-marriages involving Muslims are guaranteed to be raised as Muslim.

That's a different topic. I hate personally the whole marriage thing in Islam. I know Sunnis would not give off their daughters to Shias more often then not and this one reason I couldn't marry a person which I and her were in love with each other with.

I wish there was no such rule. Islam definitely has it flaws. But what it certainly doesn't do is command to kill those it tells you you can marry.

And the point of what I said, is those verses, have a context. And with context of rest of verses, they are absurd if you interpret to mean to kill all non adherents to Islam.

[Zidneya]

[Mystic]

[Zidneya]

That's a different topic.

Nanana That's the same topic. We are taking about infidels and you mentioned that is okay marrying jews and christians but I have news for you there are other religions besides Islam, Judaism and Christianity.

I hate personally the whole marriage thing in Islam.

Don't tell that to me you're the one who brought it up.

But what it certainly doesn't do is command to kill those it tells you you can marry.

AND WHAT ABOUT THOSE IT TELLS YOU, YOU CAN'T MARRY?

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Have a read of the following: http://www.al-islam.org/jihad-holy-war-i...bout-jihad

It's a really good book. The thing is I got this understanding from grade 9. It's not rocket science. And it's the understanding of the majority of Muslims. But it's explained there rationally. Have a good read.

Does that book says explicitly that the verse that I mentioned early is overruled and shouldn't be taken in count?

[Mystic]

AND WHAT ABOUT THOSE IT TELLS YOU, YOU CAN'T MARRY?

I thought you quoted a verse telling us to kill Christians and Jews. So you tell me. You seem to know so much about Islam. More then the majority of Muslims who live side by side disbelievers and don't kill them. Go ahead and tell us. Muslims are suppose to kill all those we don't marry? Is that it?

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Does that book says explicitly that the verse that I mentioned early is overruled and shouldn't be taken in count?

No, just that it should be understood in light of the other verses which specify limitations to those who you can fight.

It's all simple language. It just becomes difficult when you go to find fault in the verse as opposed to understanding it.

[The Grand Nudger]

[Celestine]

[Mystic]

Man, I even forgot for a second I wasn't Muslim. See what you did to me.