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The (non) existence of Jesus
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RE: The (non) existence of Jesus
(September 24, 2014 at 1:37 am)Chuck Wrote:
(September 23, 2014 at 10:31 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: I'm curious if there is anybody who doubts the existence of Ghenghis Khan? He also lacks primary sources (Nothing contemporary was written about him) has many mythic qualities attached to him and his early life that people don't take seriously historically.


Except the existence of a genghis khan associated with least one nearly mythical quality attributed to him is attested by genetic evidence from modern population along the route of genghis khan's, well, alleged, conquest. We know from these evidence genghis khan belonged to haploground C-M217, and his own particular lineage can be identified by 25 distinctive Y chromosome markers.

The mythical attribute is he slept with another conquered woman every night and personally fathered 10,000 offsprings. The genetic evidence is 30 million men in the world today, mainly from the route genghis khan followed during his conquest, can trace their ancestry one single man with the above described genetic attribute, who lived at the time genghis khan is alleged to have lived. 30 million male offsprings is a unparalleled pool of descendants for a men who lived only 800 years ago. But it could be explained by that man fathering thousands of offsprings.

To put in perspective, genghis khan slept with so many women and fathered so many children during his conquests that 1 in 5 men that live today In the land Genghis conquered is a descendant of genghis khan.

We don't know at all that that is Ghenghis Khan, we just hypothesis that it is him. All we know is that it's a male from Central Asia during the 12th century. The popular hypothesis obviously is Ghenghis Khan, but when it comes to historical evidence for Ghenghis Khan, it's probably not much better than Jesus when it comes to primary sources, and the length of time after events that things were written about, etc.
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#52
RE: The (non) existence of Jesus
(September 24, 2014 at 1:56 am)CapnAwesome Wrote:
(September 24, 2014 at 1:37 am)Chuck Wrote: Except the existence of a genghis khan associated with least one nearly mythical quality attributed to him is attested by genetic evidence from modern population along the route of genghis khan's, well, alleged, conquest. We know from these evidence genghis khan belonged to haploground C-M217, and his own particular lineage can be identified by 25 distinctive Y chromosome markers.

The mythical attribute is he slept with another conquered woman every night and personally fathered 10,000 offsprings. The genetic evidence is 30 million men in the world today, mainly from the route genghis khan followed during his conquest, can trace their ancestry one single man with the above described genetic attribute, who lived at the time genghis khan is alleged to have lived. 30 million male offsprings is a unparalleled pool of descendants for a men who lived only 800 years ago. But it could be explained by that man fathering thousands of offsprings.

To put in perspective, genghis khan slept with so many women and fathered so many children during his conquests that 1 in 5 men that live today In the land Genghis conquered is a descendant of genghis khan.

We don't know at all that that is Ghenghis Khan, we just hypothesis that it is him. All we know is that it's a male from Central Asia during the 12th century. The popular hypothesis obviously is Ghenghis Khan, but when it comes to historical evidence for Ghenghis Khan, it's probably not much better than Jesus when it comes to primary sources, and the length of time after events that things were written about, etc.


Of course it is better. We have definitive scientific evidence that at least one freakish thing attributed to this alleged individual actually happened. We know of no one else who is commonly said to have done the same freakish thing. It is evident why this freakish thing is difficult for just about anyone to do, but why this alleged person would be in a position that logically enable him to perform this freakish feat. Modern understanding of laws of physics and biochemistry does not cast doubt on the the notion that this freakish feat is possible to do given extraordinary social circumstances.

Which part of the above can Jesus match? Is there any evidence whatsoever that any freakish thing attributed to Jesus was ever successfully accomplished anywhere by anyone? Does modern understanding of the laws of physics and biochemistry suggest any of these freakish things are indeed possible to do no matter what the social circumstances?
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#53
RE: The (non) existence of Jesus
Well, I think the fact that Jesus is meant to be the most important man who ever lived makes it more surprising that there are no accounts of him. Especially as he came down to Earth to "spread" the message. Epic fail?
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#54
RE: The (non) existence of Jesus
I'm inclined to agree, rob. Here we might have had God's majestic unveiling to humanity after billions of years and the only people who took notice were a few uneducated fisherman who started making up ridiculous stories about him. Sad really.
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RE: The (non) existence of Jesus
(September 24, 2014 at 1:37 am)Chuck Wrote: The mythical attribute is he slept with another conquered woman every night and personally fathered 10,000 offsprings.

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