Horrible things in the bible

[genkaus]

We didn't create the world and we don't have the authority to kill our fellow men and women. We are to treat each other with love and that's what christians are to strive for. We should love our neighbors and we have no right to treat others unkindly or unjustly. The fact is that lawbreakers are punished for their crimes even to the point of death.

I'm sorry, are you arguing for the death penalty of against? If we have the authority to kill our fellow men and women, only then we can hand out the death penalty. We can't otherwise.

The judge and jury who sentences and carries out the punishment may love the person, but they are required to carry out justice for the good of all. Justice is a requirement for a for any society to maintain order and safety for the members.

You are not familiar with the legal system, are you? If the judge or the jury actually loves the defendant or the victim or have any kind of personal relationship with them, then they must recuse themselves from the trial. The very fact of love undercuts their objectivity and thus their ability to be just.

Love and justice certainly can co-exist. God loves us all and gives us all the opportunity to live eternally, but he also is just.

Only if that was true. But within the bible, I see no evidence of your god being just. Evil dickhead, sure. Just, no.

You said that you used to be a christian, but couldn't accept that God could do all those "horrible" things. I don't think's that a good reason not to believe in God. That's not a judgement about whether he exists or not, but just a belief that he is not nice.

Actually, that is an excellent reason to stop worshiping him.

[Chas]

Atheists have burned absolutely no witches, asshole.

I don't know if they did or not, but they've massacred plenty of people in other ways.

Not because of atheism. Atheism is not a belief or ideology, so no one kills in its name.

[Lek]

I'm sorry, are you arguing for the death penalty of against? If we have the authority to kill our fellow men and women, only then we can hand out the death penalty. We can't otherwise.

Okay.

You are not familiar with the legal system, are you? If the judge or the jury actually loves the defendant or the victim or have any kind of personal relationship with them, then they must recuse themselves from the trial. The very fact of love undercuts their objectivity and thus their ability to be just.

I was on a jury in a rape and imprisonment case. I was never asked if I loved the guy or the alleged victim.

Only if that was true. But within the bible, I see no evidence of your god being just. Evil dickhead, sure. Just, no.

You don't have to.

Actually, that is an excellent reason to stop worshiping him.

Maybe so, but an atheist believes there is no God. That reason would not involve determining that there is no God, but only that he doesn't like him.

[Cyberman]

No, an atheist doesn't believe there is a god. Why is this so hard to grasp?

[genkaus]

I was on a jury in a rape and imprisonment case. I was never asked if I loved the guy or the alleged victim.

Were you asked if you knew either of them? Or knew of them?

Only if that was true. But within the bible, I see no evidence of your god being just. Evil dickhead, sure. Just, no.

You don't have to.

Actually, if I am to accept your claims about your god being loving, then yes, I have to.

[Minimalist]

Obviously, had Lek lived in Germany in 1940 he would have been a willing stormtrooper. He'll follow any monster who asserts 'authority.'

If you could point that out in my life, your argument might carry some weight, otherwise it's just your opinion, and I don't take your opinion seriously.

Then denounce your monster of a god, yhwh right here and now and all will be forgiven. Compared to him, Hitler was a fucking amateur.

[Thumpalumpacus]

You are not the first one here trying to make your god seem like less of a monster than he is - many have tried and all have failed. Which brings me back to the question you've avoided so far - why exchange one set of silly beliefs for another?

Seems like in the old times he dealt with people as they deserved, but in the days since Christ he treats us better than we deserve.

Speak for yourself. I've done nothing to deserve eternal torment, yet according to the Bible, that is exactly what I'll get.

You know what? I'll take it. At least Hell has Jimi Hendrix, Carl Sagan, and Bert Russell.

[Minimalist]

Funny listening to these xtian fuckwits talk about the Jews and "heaven."

They were exceedingly late to adopt the concept.

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/beliefs/....shtml?p=2

However, with repeated military defeats and episodes of exile and dislocation culminating in the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, Jewish thinkers began to lose hope in any immediate change, instead investing greater expectations in a messianic future and in life after death. This was coupled with the introduction into Judaism of Hellenistic notions of the division of the material, perishable body and the spiritual, eternal soul.

The catastrophe of 70 CE caused a theological crisis. How could it be that the God of Israel would simply allow His sanctuary to be destroyed and His people to be vanquished at the hands of the Roman Empire? While the rabbis often claimed that it was the Israelites' sinfulness that led God to allow it to be defeated (mi-p'nei hataeinu, "because of our sins"), it was more difficult to explain why good and decent individual Jews were made to suffer.

[Thumpalumpacus]

So children deserved to be slaughtered and virgins deserved to be raped? Try teaching that to your kids.

The receipts of God's wrath did worse things than that. They were in complete rebellion against God. They also killed babies and raped women and men. As for the babies, it's a matter of your perspective. From an eternal perspective, the babies died quickly and are spending an eternity with God in happiness. For you who believe that this is all there is, it seems pretty horrible.

You worship a god that dooms every single human throughout history to death for the sins of Adam and Eve ... sins committed when they didn't even know right from wrong.

Who was it who said one time, "By the fruit shall you judge the tree"? He was one smart sonofabitch.
Your moral compass has lost all magnetism; you are adrift in an ethical ocean the size of which you have no idea. You must either accept moral relativism, or accept that your god is immoral.

Which is it?

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Witness above the toll Christianity takes on the humanity of the believer.

SMH

Go ahead and compare christians with everyone else and see who is the most humane.

Do you mean those preachers who get caught snorting meth off their gay lovers' bellies? Or do you mean the priests who assfuck the choirboys? Perhaps you're thinking of those Christians in Africa who are murdering children -- I'm sorry, they're sending them to God very early in life -- in Africa because they're suspected of being witches? Perhaps you're thinking of Catholics and Protestants who murdered thousands at random during the Irish Problems? Or are you talking about the Christians who manned the machinery of the Holocaust?

The evils done by Christians stack up very well against the evils done by non-Christians; in fact, because they believe they have God's countenance, Christians tend to be more and not less amoral -- or even immoral.

[Lek]

The evils done by Christians stack up very well against the evils done by non-Christians; in fact, because they believe they have God's countenance, Christians tend to be more and not less amoral -- or even immoral.

You guys are demonizing christians, but if you throw out your prejudices and really looked around, you'd find that christians in general are more moral than the average population. They also do more to help people in need than the rest of the general population.