Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion"

[CristW]

Hello all, Let me make this clear and precise:

I am NOT gay !!! I am NOT a homosexual!

I am just not intimidated by them because they are fellow human beings and citizens with NATURAL rights!

Everyone know I used to be Muslim. You know the punishment for both being gay in the midst of the Muslim community.

With that being said. All religions at least within the Abrahamic framework are not friendly to homosexuals. In other words, they are hostile to gay existence.

So, how could a free, democratic and republican forms of government allow anti-gay legislation?

Has the previous question proven the flaw of religion, at least the Abrahamic ones, in operating within a functioning democracy. Would fanatic opinions reverse the progressive trends within a functioning democracy?

Obviously, the christian community is not stoning homosexuals but is this proof in itself that Biblical directives are not divine. While some of the Muslim community is enforcing these directives, which are also biblical, does this proves that social conservative trends are not in accordance with the American founding fathers ideals? There are many indicators within the Islamic holy texts which presents the theory that Prophet Muhammad borrowed and copied many biblical directives.

Both Christian and Muslim communities are gradually liberalizing and following the progressive trends. This is all possible because of commerce, yes, commerce expanding and incorporated in all aspects of our lives. As for the Jewish community, they have been liberalizing their opinions since after the Temple's destruction in Jerusalem by the Romans thanks to the treatise of Flavius Josephus and later works of Maimonides.

Overall; the liberalizing and further religious interpretations following the general progressive trend in society, because of commerce, has exposed its flaws to the very observant few.

[Dorian Gray]

Hello all, Let me make this clear and precise:

I am NOT gay !!! I am NOT a homosexual!

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

I'm not so sure about the "commerce" aspect of your post, but I believe Christian and Muslim moderation on this issue is simply one more aspect of their religions that they are reluctantly letting go in favor of the overwhelming tide of science and public opinion.

This again, is what I find dangerous. People are clinging to their religious beliefs while reason and rational thought chip away at the absurdities. Instead of opening their eyes and embracing reality, they are picking and choosing what they want to believe and still giving strength to the fundamentalists that want to legislate and force others to their points of view.

[One Above All]

The poll answers are flawed. Homosexuality is not something you have a "right" to be, because you can't choose to be it. It's like asking if someone has the "right" to be tall or short.

[CristW]

The poll answers are flawed. Homosexuality is not something you have a "right" to be, because you can't choose to be it. It's like asking if someone has the "right" to be tall or short.

The poll answers are under the criteria of political legislation. I am sure someone who is gay would not bother and would not care what others think about them. Nevertheless, there are plenty of legislation or laws against them and their lifestyle. Again, we are questioning the legislation(s). I totally see that it is pointless and ridiculous but that was what the poll is attempting to show, it's silly legislation based on flawed divine commands.

[TaraJo]

It's what I call verbal gymnastics. They twist and contort the words so much that they can interprete the Bible to mean whatever the fuck they want it to mean.

I'm also sure that in another 30 or 40 years, we'll be hearing about how all the anti-gay Christians were never "real" Christians and that the gay rights movement was led by Christianity. I'd hope that with the improved record keeping that comes along with technological advances, we'd be able to call them on it, but the fundies never seem to be stopped with logic.

[One Above All]

The poll answers are under the criteria of political legislation. I am sure someone who is gay would not bother and would not care what others think about them. Nevertheless, there are plenty of legislation or laws against them and their lifestyle. Again, we are questioning the legislation(s). I totally see that it is pointless and ridiculous but that was what the poll is attempting to show, it's silly legislation based on flawed divine commands.

The very idea that your sexual orientation determines your lifestyle is ridiculous, if not outright fallacious.
If your poll was meant to show that, you should have mentioned it in your OP, as I'm sure some of those who read this thread wasted time trying to find an answer that suited them.

[CristW]

The poll answers are under the criteria of political legislation. I am sure someone who is gay would not bother and would not care what others think about them. Nevertheless, there are plenty of legislation or laws against them and their lifestyle. Again, we are questioning the legislation(s). I totally see that it is pointless and ridiculous but that was what the poll is attempting to show, it's silly legislation based on flawed divine commands.

The very idea that your sexual orientation determines your lifestyle is ridiculous, if not outright fallacious.
If your poll was meant to show that, you should have mentioned it in your OP, as I'm sure some of those who read this thread wasted time trying to find an answer that suited them.

Strange, because the poll is simple and direct. If you do not vote that is ok and i have no problem with that.

[One Above All]

Strange, because the poll is simple and direct. If you do not vote that is ok and i have no problem with that.

Like I said, the poll is flawed, because you can't give someone the right to "be gay" any more than you can give them the right to "be tall". It's not a choice. Rights are given to choices; not uncontrollable aspects of ourselves.

[Alex K]

I can't answer the questions, they don't seem sound to me. Whether people have the right to being homosexual (which you are not, I get it) is not a sensible question. You could just as well ask whether I have the natural right to be born lefthanded, or whether that is illegal. I also don't quite know what Natural right means.

[Chas]

Your poll indicates that you do not understand that sexual orientation is not a choice.