Rape victim sentenced to death in Iran.

[DramaQueen]

Search Googoosh on YouTube...Damn...Iran had potential

[Losty]

Ok then. A bit of irony. Today on twitter I had a Muslim pestering me about how we were being so mean to Islam, sent him this link.

Not sure how this constitutes irony... Regardless of what islam has or has not done: the attitude of the west towards it remains what it is, and it is negative.

America is largely responsible for the Iranian Revolution, and now it leads the chant against Iran's theocracy We haven't done politically well oversees... maybe this 'petition' stops someone being executed, maybe it doesn't... either way, she's overall irrelevant: this will continue until Iran is once again a 'secular' state.

Sometimes I can't even tell if my thoughts of saying hell no we won't let you do this is just a result of 2 decades of muricanish brainwashing, but...
It's so so hard for me to deal with this attitude of people being irrelevant. No one is irrelevant. Every time something like this happens to and random "irrelevant" person, the entire world is given the opportunity to stand up and say that it's absolutely abhorrent and we won't stand for it. How else do we expect change? We need to make a big deal every time. Not just because it hurts my delicate senses when you call even a single person irrelevant, but also because standing up and making a big deal is the only way to get change.

[Heywood]

Holy fuck.

What the hell needs to be said. Amnesty International is trying to prevent her from being executed for being a a rape victim. It was posted for anyone who wanted to help by going to that link.

She's being executed for murder not for being a rape victim. She wasn't even raped.

Your thread title is dishonest.

[DramaQueen]

I'm still against executing her

[Violet]

It's so so hard for me to deal with this attitude of people being irrelevant. No one is irrelevant. Every time something like this happens to and random "irrelevant" person, the entire world is given the opportunity to stand up and say that it's absolutely abhorrent and we won't stand for it.

For that to be so: to what is every person relevant?

Not to any random person... persons blessed with media attention on an otherwise slow news day. We miss most of the injustices of the world... they're too plentiful, and too quiet.

How else do we expect change? We need to make a big deal every time. Not just because it hurts my delicate senses when you call even a single person irrelevant, but also because standing up and making a big deal is the only way to get change.

Revolution, generational progress of a population, etc... it's not on those of us outside of their country to tell them how to run their country, and this petition is therefore pointless. Even if it does succeed in preventing this impending execution: it has accomplished little in Iran, where the internet is itself under considerable state censorship.

We did this to Iran because we were outraged with the Shah's crimes... and now we are outraged again. What will we accomplish this time? For one person? No, this is not worthwhile... it is a waste of energy.

Want Iran to change the way you want it to? It's not that easy. Use your sense, it can take a little sadness in the futility of its desires for the knowledge that overall its goals may well be met.

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She's being executed for murder not for being a rape victim. She wasn't even raped.

Your thread title is dishonest.

Is she? Even better. Regardless, whether she's a rape victim or not... murderer or not: there's little net gain in signing a petition for her release.

Next thing you know they'll tell me "she's not even a woman!", and around the mulberry bush we go.

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I'm still against executing her

I am too. Unfortunately: what I'd like doesn't even necessarily apply in my own nation, let alone in theirs.

[Losty]

Holy fuck.

What the hell needs to be said. Amnesty International is trying to prevent her from being executed for being a a rape victim. It was posted for anyone who wanted to help by going to that link.

She's being executed for murder not for being a rape victim. She wasn't even raped.

Your thread title is dishonest.

How do you know if she was raped or not?

I don't think the reasoning for her execution changes how wrong it is to execute someone, but I suppose Alice is right that there isn't much to be done.

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"For that to be so: to what is every person relevant?" ~Alice

They are relevant to me. Even if the majority of them are nameless, faceless strangers. I still see them. Their pain still matters to me. My life would be easier if it didn't, but It does. Their are way too many people in this world to be worried about the pain and heartache of all of them. Luckily most of it is pain I can only speculate on, but I try not to get too caught up thinking on it. It's a good way to ruin a month or two at once. Anyways, maybe I'm just crazy but people are relevant to me. All of them.

[Heywood]

She's being executed for murder not for being a rape victim. She wasn't even raped.

Your thread title is dishonest.

How do you know if she was raped or not?

I don't think the reasoning for her execution changes how wrong it is to execute someone, but I suppose Alice is right that there isn't much to be done.

If you follow the link in the original post the woman claims the man she killed tried to rape her. Attempted rape is not rape.

[Violet]

"For that to be so: to what is every person relevant?" ~Alice

They are relevant to me. Even if the majority of them are nameless, faceless strangers. I still see them. Their pain still matters to me. My life would be easier if it didn't, but It does. Their are way too many people in this world to be worried about the pain and heartache of all of them. Luckily most of it is pain I can only speculate on, but I try not to get too caught up thinking on it. It's a good way to ruin a month or two at once. Anyways, maybe I'm just crazy but people are relevant to me. All of them.

You'll likely accomplish more for all of them by not personalizing any of them what lie beyond your proximity. It is out of your control, and you can only interact with your limited sphere of existence... as having a greater impact would require intentionally hurting a few people along the way.

For all that pain hurts... it gives me a market

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If you follow the link in the original post the woman claims the man she killed tried to rape her. Attempted rape is not rape.

Perhaps. She may also be saving face, protecting her virgin status. Not sure how it'll help her get out of murder, but perhaps it will be an adequate self-defense claim.

Alternately, if the woman is the property of another, then perhaps it is lawful termination of a trespasser.

So many fun options; so little interest in actually looking into it

[Heywood]

Perhaps. She may also be saving face, protecting her virgin status. Not sure how it'll help her get out of murder, but perhaps it will be an adequate self-defense claim.

Alternately, if the woman is the property of another, then perhaps it is lawful termination of a trespasser.

So many fun options; so little interest in actually looking into it

Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being. Perhaps it is not legal in Iran to kill a person trying to rape you. Maybe they need a "stand your ground" law.

[Violet]

Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being. Perhaps it is not legal in Iran to kill a person trying to rape you. Maybe they need a "stand your ground" law.

One is often accused of murder whether murder they committed or not. There is such a thing as to be 'acquitted' of murder, after all.

Unless this person has been found guilty of murder (which does not necessarily mean that they actually were guilty of murder): whether they are a murderer or not is a matter of conjecture and debate.

Perhaps they have a 'stand your ground' law Have it or don't have it: Iran's legal system actually doesn't interest me.