Judgement day defense strageity.

[Drich]

I will tell him I asked for guidance my whole life and always felt he created us with an inward guide and guides depending on how we respond.

what if He tells you the reason He has never responded to your query was because you assumption on your inward guide was incorrect? And, that any response He gave you would just further you assumption that your version was correct?

I will tell him there was no indication that the Bible was revealed, and based on what I read,

..and if He said, what you read was sought out to support what your 'inner voice' wanted to be true?

I thought he could write a lot better and inspire better books.

...and if it wasn't supposed to be 'more inspiring?' Again what if it was just supposed to be enough for one to get a start or push in the right direction?

There was no indication that he was a trinity and all inspired knowledge of himself made me think he was One.

what if He knew what you ment by that?

I would say I did not think it would be necessary to sacrifice his son because he can forgive and that humanity over all are good and aren't in need to be saved from hell.

..and if He told you the physical sacerfice was just a physical representation of the Spiritual cost of what God endured to 'just forgive humanity?'

And all He wanted from is was a simple acknoweledgement for what was done for us? In essence God wanted some respect for what He endured, if we want to reap the benfits for said attonement?

I would say you inspired me to see the good in people rather to see them as deserving eternal torment or death.

what if He showed you what you understand to be good is relative?

And I would say you inspired me to think you are more loving and forgiving to watch most humans burn for not accepting a book that you happen to inspire.

and if he showed you that the book was just a road map, not the final destination?

I would say you guided me to love, honoring my family, friends, and lead me to be grateful, if you guided me to these things, and made me love your essence, why wouldn't you have guided me to the thing necessary for my salvation.

What if He then points back to this post?
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Or is their an option C you have worked out for yourself?

Work the angles, Drich. One god to another, I'd have to ask him why he's doing this shit, when saint peter's available.

After all, what's the point of having billions of angels and hundreds of millions of "the saved" if you don't get to take a bloody break. It seems woefully boring, this endless line of 'unforgiven'. Hell, the only way I got up there was by cutting in line (mind, nobody was exactly in a rush to stop me).

Eventually, we finish chatting, he gets a minion working, and go together on a movie date (just as friends, mind... he's delicious, I'm hot... but it would never work, especially as next time is his turn to buy the popcorn). We say farewell after the movie, and once again don't see each other for about another hundred years.

Life, man... it's a killer.

What movie?

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Someone once asked me if I felt safe on a cemetery. Hell yeah. The living can hurt me. The dead can't.

Unless they died of anthrax..

[The Valkyrie]

I tell this god person he's under arrest for crimes against humanity.

[Drich]

The idea of eternal life violates the story of Adam & Eve and the Garden of Eden. God didn't want humans to live forever and be like him, especially after they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and knew what he knew. That's also why he set the life span limit at 120 years and killed everything in the flood.

I guess you missed the bit about the tree of life that A&E were allowed to eat from huh?

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Ok, you just died. Long full life, good by western standards just not saved per the bible. Or you die after a short life still not saved in a fiery car crash, beheaded by isis or the ebolia get you, your choice, either way your dead..

Then you wake up...

This is either an awe sh*t moment or this is where you pull out the sum total of all of our discussions here.. Meaning when here you all seem to have been practicing why God is unjust and is not in a position to judge you.. So now you are not face down before the judgement seat of Christ. So what do you have to say when/if He asks you why you did not A/S/K for the proof you needed? Or do you throw yourself at the mercy of the judge? Or is their an option C you have worked out for yourself?

Option C is that it's not really an awe shit moment -or- a time for the "sum of all our discussions". Pretty sure god wouldn't need to ask me any questions - and I'm not going to waste time explaining myself-nor do I see what point it would serve. As a means of initiating self assessment in this life, the question is useful (and imo that's probably why the concept has survived so long and been expressed in so many faiths -how do you think your heart will weigh against Maat? What will you do when you are before Ammit and the scales?-). Ultimately, I would be as disinterested in death as I am in life. I fail to see how or why finding myself in this position would alter that simple fact. In all likelihood, I'd be spending more time thinking about the pomp that brought me across the river(or the lack thereof). I suppose that your qeustion and your situation just doesn't have any tendrils in my psycho, there's nothing in it that grabs me or compels me. It's right on par with "Do you like salt with your eggs?" - I don't give a shit.

But, if anyone is going to have a wonderful answer to this question it would be you. Imagine that it is -you- before the judge...imagine that -you- find yourself in error equal to that of the error you believe atheists to be operating under, that -you- are in the situation that's been painted for others....you have been the wrong type of christer. What will -you- do? Do you explain yourself? Do you throw yourself at the mercy of this god? Option C?

My experience at the final judgement is spelled out in my hell thread.

Your right, there is no arguement, there is no defense. I just wanted to see what the hang ups were, that way I can plot out my next few threads...


My experience had me shoulder to shoulder in a short line, where Jesus took us by the shoulders looked us into the eye for a few seconds, and told us welcome my good and faithful servant, you may enter into my Father's rest... Or you heard what I did. 'Away from me, I never knew you.'

Standing shoulder to shoulder (or groveling on the ground like I was) this judgement process only took a few seconds.. But when it was my turn and I looked into his beyond/blue (not eye color, but almost like light) eyes Everything I had ever done and my inner dialog and reasoning was laid out before me. While in the 'eye light' of judgement. I felt the love we were designed to share with God. I felt the completeness and contentment, I tasted the beginnings of eternal Joy of what eternity with God could be like... The I felt the ground fade away as I heard 'away from me I never knew you.' At that moment I began to fall, into a darkness that consumed you. It was like being eaten or being enveloped by fire, but instead of fire nothingness.. (Hell fire.) I knew the descriptions of a lake of fire did not describe what He'll looked like, but what one could imagine what it feels like to be submerged in a thick viscous flame.. It induces the emotional response of being consumed by fire.. Even in the mist of that I knew that His judgement was just.
This time I will embrace my fate, rather than beg and try and run from it.

Option c for me if I am on that end of eternity again is to turn into the hell fire and allow it to consume me. Allow it to burn out the thread of my consciencousness.

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I thought Drich had hacked your account.

I did not see any.

[JuliaL]

If I grant your contrary to reality hypothetical:
First there'd have to be some time to recover from the surprise. Waking up after death has pureed your brain is going to take some getting used to from the consciousness is a result of neural processes standpoint.

Then I'd accept the accolades from the judges. Clearly, mankind was created and given free will because the product of immortality and omniscience is eternal boredom. God made man (and women) because he wanted a show, not a bunch of grovelling flunkies. You object: the bible says there'll be punishments and rewards for those (not)faithful to His word. Bullshit. The bible is obviously a gullibility test to see who has sense enough to see through it. We make the most interesting actors. Your mistake is one of pride, that you think you know what God wants just because you read it in some old book.
What is that 'God can't lie' crap? An omnipotent God can do anything he damn well pleases. Our job is to entertain.

[Cyberman]

I thought Drich had hacked your account.

I did not see any.

And that proves it.

[Lemonvariable72]

First drich a a few questions. First off which the abrahamic gods is judging me? Yahweh, (Christian) Yahweh, or Allah? Secondly which Christian god is judging Elohim, Yahweh, or Yeshua (NT god). Don't bother trying to argue they are the same, because that is in reality a terrible redact. For example elohim drowns the world with a little effort, but Yahweh considered leading the Israelites out of Egypt strenuous and worthy of bragging rights. I also ask which denomination is this court? Is Mary crying in the corner pleading for mercy while god is holding people for not following the pope? Is this god scorning Catholics for there belief in papal authority? Is scorning Protestants for leaving the orthodoxy?
For me it makes some difference, but as a atheist I reject them all so I ask them all the same question."What right have you to damn for being the way you made? Because you are god? That means that your moral rule is according to your whim and thus arbitrary.

[professor]

Lemon, pay attention.
The God of Heaven is the Creator, the same as Elohim / Yahweh / Yeshua.
All others are Satan in disguise.
The acts of God are varied and in response to varied behavior of His creation.

He is leaving you to seek for Him rather than swallow the orthodoxy of Popery or Islam
or Mariology or eastern religion or any other view of life (including atheism).

Now you ask, about the right of God to reject those who reject Him? (that really is your question).
The same right you have to reject those who reject you.

[Cyberman]

No, actually I was going to ask how you know all this.

[The Grand Nudger]

My experience at the final judgement is spelled out in my hell thread.

It most definitely is not. That thread is a reenforcement for your current beliefs (besides, down that road lay only tars - I wouldn't be able to refer back to that post without calling massive bullshit on your whole narrative). I asked you what you would do if you were before the "judge" having found that your -current beliefs- are in error. This is, in essence, what you are asking others - I think that you ought to be prepared to answer it yourself...if only out of courtesy. If you wish for others to place themselves so far out of their own experience you could at least -try- to do the same. If you want to plot your next few posts, you should give it an honest go. It will give you a glimpse into the minds of those whom you are having the discussion with. As much as I may despise the fact...you and I come equipped with the same headgear and are from similar, if not the same cultural background. Your thoughts, including the difficulties you find with forming an answer to such a question will be representative of my own, and those who are- like ourselves- also human and/or are from a similar cultural background. Imagine the sorts of ministry you could achieve with that point of view in your armament - just a suggestion.

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My experience had me shoulder to shoulder in a short line, where Jesus took us by the shoulders looked us into the eye for a few seconds, and told us welcome my good and faithful servant, you may enter into my Father's rest... Or you heard what I did. 'Away from me, I never knew you.'

Standing shoulder to shoulder (or groveling on the ground like I was) this judgement process only took a few seconds.. But when it was my turn and I looked into his beyond/blue (not eye color, but almost like light) eyes Everything I had ever done and my inner dialog and reasoning was laid out before me. While in the 'eye light' of judgement. I felt the love we were designed to share with God. I felt the completeness and contentment, I tasted the beginnings of eternal Joy of what eternity with God could be like... The I felt the ground fade away as I heard 'away from me I never knew you.' At that moment I began to fall, into a darkness that consumed you. It was like being eaten or being enveloped by fire, but instead of fire nothingness.. (Hell fire.) I knew the descriptions of a lake of fire did not describe what He'll looked like, but what one could imagine what it feels like to be submerged in a thick viscous flame.. It induces the emotional response of being consumed by fire.. Even in the mist of that I knew that His judgement was just.
This time I will embrace my fate, rather than beg and try and run from it

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Cool story, brah...But I did ask you what you would do if you found yourself in the wrong before the judge as you imagine atheists to be, imagine that there is no jesus - no hell, no heaven - no blue eyed divinities flitting around over your head. You are wrong on all of this, the whole shebang - and you are being called on it, in judgement - before divine authority wholly unrepresentative of the christian faith. This is what you are asking others (tailored to your beliefs as opposed to others lack of belief, of course). Do you throw yourself at Ammit and oblivion? Do you plead with Anubis to show mercy instead of the scales? Do you appeal to Ma'at, the goddes of truth and the feather by which your heart will be weighed as to your reasons for having been christian, having been wrong or immoral or deserving of punishment according to the standards of some other pantheon? Something else?

[Ryantology]

If this god created me, and this god wanted me to believe in him completely on the basis of faith, I would ask him why he didn't make me stupid enough to find that acceptable.