Obama and Ferguson

[strawdawg]

Obama plays to the crowd and of course he doesn't care about Darren Wilson. Other than a strong arm robbery once and a while Michael Brown was a gentle soul.

I don't know how fast the incident at ferguson unfolded but a taser seems like it would have been a viable option.

[Brian37]

Obama plays to the crowd and of course he doesn't care about Darren Wilson. Other than a strong arm robbery once and a while Michael Brown was a gentle soul.

I don't know how fast the incident at ferguson unfolded but a taser seems like it would have been a viable option.

How many times do I have to repeat this. REGARDLESS of what you saw on that store camera we do not need to be training police to be James Bond with a licence to kill.

Again in my personal life I have seen MY "friends" do far worse to the point of bleeding. I have seen people resist cops who do not end up dead.

You don't care about the conditions that led Brown to do what he did. You do not care about the conditions that led Wilson to do what he did.

Brown was shot over petty theft and to call a mere shove strong armed robbery is bullshit. I have seen bar fights and frat fights with far worse injuries where no one ended up dead or even in jail.

Wilson went into that call assuming guilt. Wilson went into that call with a bad attitude. Wilson tried to get out of the car AFTER he knew Brown was not going to obey. If he was that concerned with his own safety no sane person is going to pull up 2 feet to someone dangerous, then try to open the car door.

Brown's death was avoidable. The person in the power position BLEW IT by making a very bad decision to confront him with an abusive tone and grabbing at Brown at a tactical disadvantage.

If Wilson had been concerned about his own safety and Brown staying alive he would have kept his distance from the start. Wilson went into that call with his training to dominate. He went into that call because of typical male testosterone. He made excuses after the fact and compartmentalized his excuses after the fact.

And then idiots like you think killing people is ok just because they have a badge. Wilson called for backup, he could have kept his distance and waited instead of confronting Brown alone.

You're ignorance of a very long term systemic problem is pathetic.

You care about cops? GREAT, then maybe we should not be giving them a license to kill. Maybe we need to improve living conditions. Maybe we need to improve cop training. Maybe we need to get gun makers and the NRA to stop scaring the crap out of cops and society to sell guns to both.

And explain to me how basketball shorts can hold a heavy object like a gun? If Brown really had a gun and was running away, that object would have fallen out.

Now cut the crap. If you care about the safety of cops or the conditions of the society that they work in, or the society itself, your narrow minded Dirty Harry blame game is garbage.

[Cato]

I was thinking a 100 yard dash could be run in 7 seconds. 10 seconds is more reasonable. 150 feet is half the distance of a 100 yard dash...so it can be ran in 5 seconds.

It may not have been immediately apparent that it was a lawful killing, but it was immediately apparent there would be reasonable doubt and only a lynch mob jury would convict.

Why are you assuming that Brown had world class speed? All this demonstrates is that you are desperate to provide a rationalization that exonerates Wilson. You cannot justify shooting an unarmed man 150 feet away. If he continued to charge and got within ten feet, then the situation is entirely different.

[The Grand Nudger]

Cause "they're" really fast...and also, apparently, a bit like bears......

[Heywood]

Why are you assuming that Brown had world class speed? All this demonstrates is that you are desperate to provide a rationalization that exonerates Wilson. You cannot justify shooting an unarmed man 150 feet away. If he continued to charge and got within ten feet, then the situation is entirely different.

Wilson's SUV was 153 feet away from Brown's body. But when Wilson shot Brown, he had already moved away from his SUV and closer to Brown. This inforgraphic from USA today depicts Wilson's version of events.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio.../19538013/

Wilson says Brown was 8-10 feet away when he dropped him.

[Brian37]

I was thinking a 100 yard dash could be run in 7 seconds. 10 seconds is more reasonable. 150 feet is half the distance of a 100 yard dash...so it can be ran in 5 seconds.

It may not have been immediately apparent that it was a lawful killing, but it was immediately apparent there would be reasonable doubt and only a lynch mob jury would convict.

Why are you assuming that Brown had world class speed? All this demonstrates is that you are desperate to provide a rationalization that exonerates Wilson. You cannot justify shooting an unarmed man 150 feet away. If he continued to charge and got within ten feet, then the situation is entirely different.

Here we go getting stuck on details when the long term issue is why did it get to this point at all.

Um no see this is why I don't like getting stuck on details. 150ft was the distance between the car and Brown's body. Wilson chased brown which means he did NOT shoot him at that distance. Wilson was closer when he shot Brown. Now again, still no justification in any case. Wilson fired at him while he was running away. That also set the tone as to why Brown stopped. I think Wilson misinterpreted his behavior. I believe Brown's friend when he said he was TRYING to give up.

This is precisely why they get away with rationalizing Wilson's actions. I focus on conditions, and I also focus on the starting point, even if we are going to talk about this case.

I believe Brown's friend when he said Wilson cussed him out. And the other point that makes Wilson's story crap is confronting someone from a tactical disadvantage in a seated position. Wilson lit the fuse and it could have been avoided by not reacting to Brown cussing him out after he cussed at Brown. Wilson could have easily backed off an put distance between them before he got out of the car.

I think far too many people have this stupid idea(even if not all, just far too many) that Brown's parents raised him to "hey assault the cop because you are dark skin". I have no doubt that Brown's parents were not excusing their son resisting. They are asking why he ended up dead.

Now the numbers are in as far as who gets killed while unarmed ratio wise. ON AVERAGE 400 dark skin males are killed while unarmed every year. Under similar circumstances if resisting, light skin males are LESS LIKELY to get killed.

Brown's reaction and fear DOES NOT justify him resisting. But the same unfounded fear is the same fear that caused two tea party nuts to fear government and murder cops.

Wilson's power trip and not checking his emotions even if we are not going to call him racist, still does not change the social conditioning that hurts dark skin males more by cops, again that lack of awareness does not have to be intentional.

Ok, so if everyone agrees that none of us want things like this to happen. Then my suggestion is to stop blaming those affected the most by these conditions.

My point is long term. Young males no matter skin tone and no matter size and no matter urban, suburban or rural, do destructive things, I know I did. But until we accept that dark skin males are affected more by law enforcement and more by economic conditions, events like this and lack of trust between law enforcement, and classes and races will be an issue.

So here is my solution.

STOP blaming poor blacks because there are poor whites too. Stop training cops to fear society.

Stop treating guns like porn or candy.

Raise wages for urban communities, invest in urban communities. Invest in suburban and rural middle class and poor so EVERYONE can pay their bills. Economic stability reduces all crime and reduces fear and paranoia.

Stop claiming "blacks commit more crimes". No they do not. They simply get arrested more and punished more harshly.

Stop treating poverty as a crime and treat it as a condition.

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Oh and Cato, I am not saying you are siding with Wilson at all. I am simply saying lets not play their game.

[Heywood]

Wilson's power trip and not checking his emotions even if we are not going to call him racist, still does not change the social conditioning that hurts dark skin males more by cops, again that lack of awareness does not have to be intentional.

The video of Brown committing strong armed robbery suggest that it was Brown who was having a power trip.

[Brian37]

Wilson's power trip and not checking his emotions even if we are not going to call him racist, still does not change the social conditioning that hurts dark skin males more by cops, again that lack of awareness does not have to be intentional.

The video of Brown committing strong armed robbery suggest that it was Brown who was having a power trip.

No shit...........

I have seen far worse on my street as far as physical violence. I have seen white people shoplift. I have seen rednecks beat the shit out of each other at bars. I have assaulted a cop myself.

Brown didn't do anything more stupid than a drunk suburban white guy does when pulled over.

Like it or not you have bought into social conditioning.

I have worked at a 7-11 and I have seen WHITE people shoplift and and run. I have seen drunk white people fight and resist cops.

Nothing in that video constitutes a cop acting like James Bond with a licence to kill.

Dark skin humans in America can tell you why your logic sucks, but it is up to you to LISTEN TO THEM.

Same stupid broken record you have on economics.

That was NOT strong armed robbery or felony assault. That is no worse than what I have seen in my life. No one is claiming, nor would his parents say that he was right. But because of his skin tone, he is not allowed to make mistakes like light skin people. He is feared by society because of his skin tone.

You are not going to get away with this bullshit. PERIOD.

You do not want to do anything but justify your broken narrative.

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Now go back and watch that video of the old man cussing out the cop without getting arrested. Keep watching it until you get it. If you cannot get it, that is your baggage not ours. We are not going to allow you to control the conversation.

[Heywood]

That was NOT strong armed robbery or felony assault. That is no worse than what I have seen in my life. No one is claiming, nor would his parents say that he was right. But because of his skin tone, he is not allowed to make mistakes like light skin people. He is feared by society because of his skin tone.

It is strong armed robbery because Brown uses force to complete his act of theft.

I can totally see this guy tell the cop to fuck off when the cop tells him to get out of the road. I can totally see this guy slamming the door on the cop and then punching the cop. I can totally see this guy daring the cop to shoot and then charging the cop.

Brown was a thug and an asshole and a stupid one on top of that as he got himself killed by cop. I blame Brown for this tragedy and see no reason to blame the cop.

[Cyberman]

Was it necessary for a man to die for those things you can "totally see" - ie imagine? Is being "a thug and an asshole" punishable by death?