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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
December 18, 2014 at 5:14 am
(November 28, 2014 at 1:59 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I mean what real motive does a christer have to be moral when their blood price is paid. I mean a christian can go around murdering and fucking whom ever they want and all they have to say is "god please forgive me" and boom entrance to heaven.
You just answered the question, 'Why believe in god?'
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
December 18, 2014 at 5:17 am
I find it absurd that someone died for all the sins I will do in my life, before I was born. It's utterly ridiculous. And what motivation do I have to not sin if it's all forgiven? I can just say I love Jesus and all that shit, and then behave as atrociously as I want.
Still no definition of moral from theists as far as I'm aware that doesn't just involve "what God says". Atheists have the same morals theists have, it's just theists find it easier to discard some of them claiming divine justification.
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
December 18, 2014 at 7:04 am
I've read through the thread and all the Christians have been consistent in their explanations, the atheist have been all over the board. The atheist have said different thing about the same subject, the Christians responses have been the same on each subject. Seems to me, I've actually noticed this for sometime now, that the atheist have their own specific beliefs about scripture and they are always the using the same things over and over. Why do you all do this, why are you not consistent in what you say about the same subject. You all have more different ideas about what's in the Bible than the Christians here, heck you're doing what you claim Christians do, interpretation of scriptures for what you want it to say. I know most of you are not interested in learning what the scriptures mean but, with the intelligence you guys profess and the rational thinking you claim one would naturally believe you all would have the same things to say about the same subjects.
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
December 18, 2014 at 7:08 am
Not sure if I already chimed in here or not, GC. But I think the motivation for xtians is simple: win the grand prize of heaven and avoid the stiff penalty which is hell. Did I miss anything?
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
December 18, 2014 at 7:10 am
Christian morals are certainly not to do with wellbeing, because that can be easily demonstrated to be false.
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
December 18, 2014 at 8:27 am
When it comes to morality, it would be expected that a Christian's approach would be consistent, since it's pretty simple: whatever god says is moral, is moral. The explanations for how that works are a bit less consistent, though much more amusing and/or horrifying. Even the tale of the young prince, which brings up the arbitrary nature of salvation (and along with the story of Job, should scare the wits out of any Christian), has a simple explanation once we agree that moral = whatever god says it is.
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
December 18, 2014 at 8:31 am
(This post was last modified: December 18, 2014 at 8:32 am by robvalue.)
By admitting that, or refusing to give any other definition, they are amoral. There's nothing more to it. They're mindless subservients.
The thing is, they don't actually follow those morals. Only the bits they like. So it's unbelievably stupid and hypocritical to try and claim that definition. They would like to think that is the definition, because they are scared to state otherwise.
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
December 18, 2014 at 9:21 am
(December 3, 2014 at 1:58 am)Drich Wrote: in 8 years of answering questions in forums like this I can not remember ever once had to saying "God works in mysterious ways." .
What about this ?
"All sins are commited against God. Therefore God sets the standard in which attonement/compensation must be satasified. God's standard (Righteousness) Demands a Death/Blood shed for any sin. why? Because He says so. (That is the only explaination given.)"
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
December 18, 2014 at 9:23 am
"Because he says so" is both mysterious and dictatorial.
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
December 18, 2014 at 9:38 am
There's nothing mysterious about "do it because I can crush you like a gnat."
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