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If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
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Then please illuminate me.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 (December 7, 2014 at 2:53 pm)Heywood Wrote: Here is the source of my statement on people thinking about how to test Simulation Hypothesis.There would have to be a cutoff under any circumstances. If not, there would have to be an infinite number of wavelengths and the "last" one would have to be infinitesimally short. This would require an infinite amount of energy.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy  (December 7, 2014 at 4:47 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Then please illuminate me. Its not that a puddle of water fits the hole perfectly....as you know any shaped hole will support a puddle of water given our physics. Its that if the physics were just a tiny bit different, say there was no gravity , there could be no puddle of water despite the existence of a hole. You want to examine the relationship between water and holes given physics as they are. The fine tuning we are referring to concerns the physics that allows water and holes to exist in the first place. We are talking about the entire universe as whole, where as you are talking about something that exists in it. Life is fine tuned to exist in this universe. The universe is fined tuned to produce life. The above two statements are not the same as you would want us to believe with your water/hole analogy.
Then basically, if things were different then things would be different? You're still looking at the hole and marvelling at how precisely it fits you. And if you can't follow the analogy, I suggest you look up its original use and context.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
December 7, 2014 at 5:15 pm
(This post was last modified: December 7, 2014 at 5:17 pm by Heywood.)
(December 7, 2014 at 5:09 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Then basically, if things were different then things would be different? You're still looking at the hole and marvelling at how precisely it fits you. And if you can't follow the analogy, I suggest you look up its original use and context. I've read Douglas Adams and his analogy is flawed. He should have directed his analogy at the physics and not the products of the physics.
In what way?
Basically what I'm asking you to do is show your work; don't just snipe and assume victory.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
December 7, 2014 at 5:31 pm
(This post was last modified: December 7, 2014 at 5:38 pm by ChristIsLord.)
(November 30, 2014 at 1:06 pm)oukoida Wrote: ...wouldn't it be much like a Minecraft world? Flat, infinite, with (potentially) infinite resources and without many of the dangers and complexities of the real world? Especially considering that the creator God is proposed (at least by the major monotheistic religions) as an omnipotent being, why would he create a universe where most of the space is empty and/or unsuitable for human life? Maybe its because he felt like it Does the clay say to that Potter, why have you created me this way. The most intelligent of men has the smarts of a grain of sand in comparison to Gods wisdom and knowledge which might be equivalent of an infinite desert of sand. Can Notch create physical universe? One that is not confined to "ones and zeros" (December 7, 2014 at 5:17 pm)Stimbo Wrote: In what way? Reality check: We are all sinners and fall short of the bar God has set for us (ten commandments). Those sins are washed away by Jesus' blood because he, the only one ever to make it all the way through life without sin took our sin to the cross for us out of love. (December 7, 2014 at 5:17 pm)Stimbo Wrote: In what way? Reality check: We are all sinners and fall short of the bar God has set for us (ten commandments). Those sins are washed away by Jesus' blood because he, the only one ever to make it all the way through life without sin took our sin to the cross for us out of love. So no, Jesus did not die for nothing, He died for us  (December 7, 2014 at 5:31 pm)ChristIsLord Wrote:(December 7, 2014 at 5:17 pm)Stimbo Wrote: In what way? sorry, could you highlight the specific part of your post that relates to the reality check? RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
December 7, 2014 at 5:41 pm
(This post was last modified: December 7, 2014 at 5:48 pm by ChristIsLord.)
(December 7, 2014 at 2:42 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:(December 7, 2014 at 2:41 pm)comet Wrote: It is tuned for life. I think what comet means is that we live on this planet in an ecological nitch not found anywhere else in the universe, ergo tuned for life as we know it (December 7, 2014 at 5:39 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:(December 7, 2014 at 5:31 pm)ChristIsLord Wrote: Reality check: MineCraft...."Ones and Zeros" The world we live in...... reality. I was tagging along on your answer to oukoida's post |
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