The End of the World

[IATIA]

... beholden by his pride to violate the principles he espouses.

And is not pride a sin also?

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Rule of thumbs. If many of these are involved, you can be pretty sure, you don't miss out on something important.

Perhaps, but does not some of GC's remarks just make your day? Or sometimes, it is just like that train wreck you cannot pull your eyes away from.

[Godscreated]

People that wind up in hell do so for unforgiven sin, they choose to live with there sin.

It seems the procedure would be clear once in hell. Surely they'll beg for forgiveness then, when they know what the right religion is and understand the penalty for not seeking forgiveness?

They'll know there is no release from hell, they passed up their opportunity and they will resent God forever, they will hate God and His creation more intensely than ever, they will seethe forever cursing God and reliving every sin every moment of eternity, the more wrong one has done the worse their existence in hell will be, see they will be their own punishment, living in terror and horror ie, weeping and nashing of teeth, begging for the fire and brimstone for some relief of their own living terror. A life they created in this life, a punishment they created in this life, living in darkness never seeing anyone, yet hearing everyone else, reliving their terror and horror forever, with not one moments rest form it. No sleep, no rest, nothing to relieve the mental and physical torment they created for themselves in this life, yes they create their own punishment and chose to live with it forever. This is why I tell you that God is not responsible for your own personally created hell.

Unforgiven sin last forever and that's why there's an eternal punishment.

Being unforgiven seems like a simple thing to fix.

It is, all one has to do is chose Christ as savior in this life, see above to know why Christians call Him savior, because unlike atheist want to believe there is something to be saved from, one's own personal self.

God gives us the choice to live with Him forever or not to live with Him forever, in eternity there are only two places to live.

That's what the people who say they're following this God they claim exists say, but God doesn't give us the choice himself. I suppose it would be fair to give a last chance before judgement to appeal to his supposed mercy,

That's what this life is about, to accept the life God offers through Christ or to live one's own life, God makes the offer, so yes by necessity God gives us the choice. Why, He gives chances to the end of one's life. He extended His mercy throughout one's life. Also, there would be no justice in allowing someone to live against God their entire life and after death giving them amnesty, why, because how would that be fair to those who chose to live for God before death.
One more thing here, I'm quite confused, people here cry foul when someone like Jeffrey chooses Christ right before he died and now there's a claim of appeal right after death, curious just curious.

but your postiion is we're thrown in hell without reprieve for picking what's behind door A instead of door 3. Oh, you picked hell, too bad. It wouldn't have done any good to listen to the studio audience, you're in Jordan and they're Muslims, they're going to hell, too.

We witness to people about their choices, we tell them what's behind each door, yet God and his followers are blamed for others wrong choices, that's the reasoning of a child.

One for those who sought forgiveness through Christ will be in heaven and, one for those who do not seek forgiveness, those who believe they are already righteous in their own minds. Jesus warned those who thought that way.

You mean Christians? Because I really can't think of anyone who believes they're righteous in their own minds while posting more to turn people away from Christianity than I could if I wanted to more than you and Drich.

You, blaming us for your actions and opinions, that's the same as I described above, childish reasoning. You find excuses to reject God and blame us, see why there are no reprieves after death.

There are kinder versions of Christianity available, but I think they don't suit your temperment.

Yes, there are those who tiptoe though the tulips, but they avoid telling people the truth, why, they want to be pleasing to everyone, they look for kudos from both sides, they play both sides of the fence. They gamble with they're own salvation, they hinder others who may be searching, why, they desire the first sin, the sin of selfishness. Yes Drich and I might be abrasive at times, we tell the real and brutal truth at times, not to gain points with anyone but, because we care. If you desire to see us any other way but caring is your choice, but remember this we have spent a great amount of time here that we could have easily spent doing other thing, things more enjoyable than the treatment we get here. There are very few who come here and stay as long as we have, including atheist. Please remember this, we came in love, the love of Christ.

GC

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I don't doubt it will happen.

I'm not allowed to have anyone on ignore

You have my permission to put me on ignore, don't want you to feel left out, but by the same token I can't put mods on ignore.

GC

[Ryantology]

I can't put mods on ignore.

: )

Miss me?

This is why I tell you that God is not responsible for your own personally created hell.

That is a condition God made possible when he had the ability to choose not to. Therefore, it is an act of deliberate malice and it's 100% his fault.

At no point in your life, I'm guessing, has anybody ever described for you how personal responsibility works in the real world.

With ultimate power comes the fact that every single individual thing wrong with the universe is completely the fault of whatever claims to have created it.

[IATIA]

Have you ever wondered WHY power corrupts so effectively?

If you could do anything you want without any repercussions, would you not?

[Minimalist]

There's almost no point in belonging to a forum if you are going to ignore the dumbest of the dumb. How else can one get ones laughs?

[Godscreated]

I can't put mods on ignore.

: )

Miss me?

I'll never miss your attitude.

This is why I tell you that God is not responsible for your own personally created hell.

That is a condition God made possible when he had the ability to choose not to. Therefore, it is an act of deliberate malice and it's 100% his fault.

You're free to choose, your fault, period.

At no point in your life, I'm guessing, has anybody ever described for you how personal responsibility works in the real world.

I know all about personal responsibility, could be why people seem to give me respect and ask for my opinions. They know they'll receive the truth. It's also one of many reasons I chose Christ, by doing so I admitted I'm personally responsible for my sinful actions. Jesus made himself personally responsible to forgive me and for that I have eternal gratitude.

With ultimate power comes the fact that every single individual thing wrong with the universe is completely the fault of whatever claims to have created it.

With ultimate power comes the fact God relinquished His control over your decisions.
Now who is it that's putting off the personal responsibility and putting it on another. I call that irresponsible, I'm sure you have a different opinion, good for you. But then what good is it to yourself if you blind yourself to God's truth. Just another way of saying, "what good does it do for a man to give up his soul and gain the whole world." See the value God places on a human life.

GC

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Have you ever wondered WHY power corrupts so effectively?

If you could do anything you want without any repercussions, would you not?

If there was no God, your life would be in my hands. Make you feel better, it shouldn't, the world has many who think this because they do not believe there is a God.

GC

[Ryantology]

I'll never miss your attitude.

You deserve it.

You're free to choose, your fault, period.

So, what will you say to God when he asks why you chose Hell?

I know all about personal responsibility, could be why people seem to give me respect and ask for my opinions. They know they'll receive the truth. It's also one of many reasons I chose Christ, by doing so I admitted I'm personally responsible for my sinful actions. Jesus made himself personally responsible to forgive me and for that I have eternal gratitude.

It doesn't sound like you know anything about personal responsibility, because you're blaming all of your god's faults on people.

With ultimate power comes the fact God relinquished His control over your decisions.

I didn't get to decide how the universe was designed.

But then what good is it to yourself if you blind yourself to God's truth.

It's not like I haven't asked you to prove to me that there is truth to your god. I've asked and sought and knocked. You refuse to prove anything. If you could prove that you're not a stupid lunatic and you believe in a god that really exists, I would become a Christian on the spot and thank you for the help. You claim that you have the evidence, but you refuse to share it.

That's your fault.

See? Personal responsibility.

[Godscreated]

I'll never miss your attitude.

You deserve it.

No one deserves your treatment.

You're free to choose, your fault, period.

So, what will you say to God when he asks why you chose Hell?

He want ask me that, He knows I have chosen Christ, what I will do is be very sad when you come before God the Father at judgement, if you're still of the same mind and heart as you are now.

I know all about personal responsibility, could be why people seem to give me respect and ask for my opinions. They know they'll receive the truth. It's also one of many reasons I chose Christ, by doing so I admitted I'm personally responsible for my sinful actions. Jesus made himself personally responsible to forgive me and for that I have eternal gratitude.

It doesn't sound like you know anything about personal responsibility, because you're blaming all of your god's faults on people.

No, that's what you do, without proof I might add. God has no faults, none.

With ultimate power comes the fact God relinquished His control over your decisions.

I didn't get to decide how the universe was designed.

You weren't around at that time and it's not your's to have a say so in, just like my life, it's mine and you have no say so in it.

But then what good is it to yourself if you blind yourself to God's truth.

It's not like I haven't asked you to prove to me that there is truth to your god. I've asked and sought and knocked.

Have you, really, why should I continue to try with you, you've rejected all I've stated to this point, I have no reason to believe you will start.

You refuse to prove anything.

Just because you do not accept what I provide doesn't mean it's not the truth, it does mean you're biased beyond belief.

If you could prove that you're not a stupid lunatic and you believe in a god that really exists, I would become a Christian on the spot and thank you for the help. You claim that you have the evidence, but you refuse to share it.

That's your fault.

See? Personal responsibility.

The evidence I have is spiritual, something you refuse to accept and I've shared truth here many time sorry you didn't accept it.
Now I guess if you're a man that sticks by what he says to the very end, you have put your finial eternal destination in my hands, that is what God calls a foolish idea. If I leave here and you hold to what you say well....
You should take on the personal responsibility of you actions against God and accept Christ.

GC

[Cyberman]

No one deserves your treatment.

Wow, the hypocrisy's strong with this one. How you can state that about comments on an internet forum from someone you've never met, while at the same time believe the exact opposite about an invisible dictator that you've also never met nor can even prove, is an example of cognitive dissonance in the truest Orwellian doublethink sense that I'm glad I will never share. That's not even to mention that famous xtian judgement that none of you ever do.

[Strider]

He want ask me that, He knows I have chosen Christ, what I will do is be very sad when you come before God the Father at judgement, if you're still of the same mind and heart as you are now.

And we will be sad for you because you devoted your entire life to something that doesn't exist instead of realizing the beauty of science and logic and the wonder of the brief time we are able to spend on Earth.

No, that's what you do, without proof I might add. God has no faults, none.

I've pointed this out in another thread, but god decided to blot out human existence because they were wicked and he regretted making them. How does a being of perfection, a being with no faults, experience regret? This feeling implies that he made a poor decision. Something with no faults could never make a wrong decision.

You weren't around at that time and it's not your's to have a say so in, just like my life, it's mine and you have no say so in it.

And you weren't either so how is your say more relevant than ours?

The evidence I have is spiritual, something you refuse to accept and I've shared truth here many time sorry you didn't accept it.
Now I guess if you're a man that sticks by what he says to the very end, you have put your finial eternal destination in my hands, that is what God calls a foolish idea. If I leave here and you hold to what you say well....
You should take on the personal responsibility of you actions against God and accept Christ.

GC

Spiritual evidence? That's an oxymoron if there ever was one. Evidence isn't evidence if it isn't tangible or measurable or knowable.