The New York Choke Hold Case

[Heywood]

[Jackalope]

Maybe this falls under the wide latitude we give cops that JennyA referred to in the Ferguson thread.

Quite possibly, and if what happened in Ferguson (as well as elsewhere) is any indication, it's quite possibly gone too far. I for one am sick of heavy-handed policing.

[Tonus]

So, this is a homicide- an unlawful killing of one person by another.

Homicide just means a person was killed by another person. If the cop had shot him in self-defense it would still be homicide. The "criminally negligent" part is the important part, it implies that the cop either did not follow correct procedure or used excessive force to subdue the victim. I don't know if that was the charge that the DA was seeking, assuming he wasn't just going through the motions in the hopes of avoiding an indictment.

[Heywood]

I don't understand the jury's decision. Unlike the Ferguson case, this was a really easy indictment, IMO...

Was the jury instructed to let it go to the federal level, maybe?

The Fed's do not have jurisdiction to prosecute a homicide that did not evolve federal personnel, did not occur on federal property, did involve the crossing of state lines.

The Feds can prosecute civil rights violations....but that is not the same crime as homicide.

[Minimalist]

You are correct ( for once) Woodie.

This cop has gotten away with murder.

Use of the choke hold has been banned by the NYPD since 1993. Apparently, it is not as efficient as shooting them.

[rexbeccarox]

No, I know that, but it's going to be interesting to see how they deal with the civil rights case that will almost inevitably come out. I just wonder if the federal government has a bigger-picture thing in mind.

[Jenny A]

Don't know, but NYPD forbids the use of choke holds for very good reason. I don't know much about the background of this story, but on the surface it sounds like the suspect wasn't resisting (any more than anyone deprived of oxygen would). I'll note that it appears pretty hard to get an indictment of a cop for an on-duty incident - even when department policy is violated and someone dies as a result.

It is hard to get an indictment because the legal standard for a cop really is different than for the rest of us. Varies from state to state but often reckless action, not merely negligent is required, and in addition to self defense you get reasonably prevent escape and so on and so on. Some of these standards are necessary to let cops do their jobs which do involve dealing with violent people, but others are not.

[Jackalope]

Don't know, but NYPD forbids the use of choke holds for very good reason. I don't know much about the background of this story, but on the surface it sounds like the suspect wasn't resisting (any more than anyone deprived of oxygen would). I'll note that it appears pretty hard to get an indictment of a cop for an on-duty incident - even when department policy is violated and someone dies as a result.

It is hard to get an indictment because the legal standard for a cop really is different than for the rest of us. Varies from state to state but often reckless action, not merely negligent is required, and in addition to self defense you get reasonably prevent escape and so on and so on. Some of these standards are necessary to let cops do their jobs which do involve dealing with violent people, but others are not.

In short - "Some animals are more equal than others."

[Jenny A]

It is hard to get an indictment because the legal standard for a cop really is different than for the rest of us. Varies from state to state but often reckless action, not merely negligent is required, and in addition to self defense you get reasonably prevent escape and so on and so on. Some of these standards are necessary to let cops do their jobs which do involve dealing with violent people, but others are not.

In short - "Some animals are more equal than others."

Pretty much.

[popeyespappy]