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Religion may not be the enemy.
#41
RE: Religion may not be the enemy.
(December 15, 2014 at 2:57 pm)The_greatest_river Wrote:

It's training wheels to help humanity. Although yes there may be extremes, but when the ground rules are simple and sweet such as use the gift of doubt, create solutions to problems you may suffer if you were some one else, to treat others the way you wish to be treated, and a final question: if you won't be the change in the world you wish to see, who will?

I understand that I've contradicted myself, but you have to put yourself in their mindset and understand why they are religious. Not all of them are born into it, many choose religion as a cooping measure to help give life more meaning and structure.

No. I don't think you can aid humanity by creating one more lie to believe in. Nor do I think your made up religion is likely to appeal to many. Atheism is, slowly replacing religion. Science is often the catalyst for that. Don't add mysticism and god to science. That way leads to "Christian Science."
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#42
RE: Religion may not be the enemy.
Religion is unneeded, unnecessary, and a detriment to us all in the modern era. Superstition, including but certainly not limited to the barbaric notions of a blood sacrifice and original sin, will die out in favor of reason and logic. I may not live to see it, but I have hope that humanity will one day - even if it is centuries from now - transcend this inclination toward the supernatural to explain existence and the delusion of a paradise after death.
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." ~ Benjamin Franklin
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#43
RE: Religion may not be the enemy.
Of course, even if religion has died out, that alone does not give us a utopia. Positive values needed to be added on top of this reign of "reason and science" in order to nit simply create a tribalistic hellhole which is also atheistic.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#44
RE: Religion may not be the enemy.
(December 15, 2014 at 6:57 pm)Alex K Wrote: Of course, even if religion has died out, that alone does not give us a utopia. Positive values needed to be added on top of this reign of "reason and science" in order to nit simply create a tribalistic hellhole which is also atheistic.
You're right. There would be no overnight transformation. It'd be a damn fine start though.
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#45
RE: Religion may not be the enemy.
(December 15, 2014 at 6:57 pm)Alex K Wrote: Of course, even if religion has died out, that alone does not give us a utopia. Positive values needed to be added on top of this reign of "reason and science" in order to nit simply create a tribalistic hellhole which is also atheistic.

Of course were only human and we like to fight wars for various things.
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#46
RE: Religion may not be the enemy.
Two Christian denominations until they're faced with atheists (the common enemy).




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#47
RE: Religion may not be the enemy.
I thought we were the enemy? You know, atheist with their war on everything sacred and holy? Just waiting to screw crap up.

Religion seeks out conflict.
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#48
RE: Religion may not be the enemy.
(December 15, 2014 at 8:18 pm)Spooky Wrote: I thought we were the enemy? You know, atheist with their war on everything sacred and holy? Just waiting to screw crap up.

Religion seeks out conflict.

seems about right.... because men were relatively peaceful until religion.
when i mean relatively peaceful there wasn't much of a reason to kill one another.

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#49
RE: Religion may not be the enemy.
If I understand you right you are gonna trying to accomplish something like those scientology dudes.

Yes you are correct, that in a hopeless situation we do look for any form of support, even an imaginary one, just like a child has an imaginary friend while growing up, society too had several imaginary friends, but just like the child has to grow up, we too have to grow up, and believe it or not, it is way past our time to act like adults. So at this point, there is no time for babytalk, those of us who still pretend to be babies, need to be hit with the hammer of reality.
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#50
RE: Religion may not be the enemy.
(December 16, 2014 at 12:08 am)dyresand Wrote: seems about right.... because men were relatively peaceful until religion.
I don't see how anyone can claim that. Religion is another form of tribalism, which it would seem we evolved with. It's not like early humans sat around and realized that things were too quiet so they'd better start a religion and get to beating each other up. Religion may have started as a way of explaining the unknown and pretending to find a measure of control over it, and developed into a way of strengthening cultural and communal ties. I don't believe that it made us violent; it just provided one more outlet for justifying violence.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

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