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Atheists who become Christians
#61
RE: Atheists who become Christians
(December 21, 2014 at 2:46 pm)strawdawg Wrote: Most people make snap decisions and form hasty beliefs with out researching the matter fully.

Yeah, have a mirror.
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#62
RE: Atheists who become Christians
(December 21, 2014 at 2:22 pm)strawdawg Wrote: It makes sense to me.

Better lay off the glue, then.
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#63
RE: Atheists who become Christians
(December 21, 2014 at 2:46 pm)Kitty Galore Wrote: She has done what SHE had to do to lessen the pain, I guess. Her seeing her family again in heaven trumps the fact her God took them away. (All for a reason, right? :rollseyesSmile

It was how she chose to cope. I don't agree with it, I don't think I would change my mind if I went through something so terrible. But I don't mock her.

Nobody is born with the ability to cope with the sort of trauma that your friend endured. We all do so as best we can.

You know many of the terrible things that I experienced when I was younger - I will not repeat them here. I could have easily used faith as a crutch - and perhaps for a while, I did - but mostly I dealt with my trauma in ways that were damaging to myself, and were no less irrational.

Like you, I can't really blame someone for coping in the way your friend does.
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RE: Atheists who become Christians
(December 21, 2014 at 2:58 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I could have easily used faith as a crutch - and perhaps for a while, I did - but mostly I dealt with my trauma in ways that were damaging to myself, and were no less irrational.

When sitting at my father's deathbed some 11 years ago, this was such a moment. There was this nagging thought of never seeing him again. Turning to faith would have been the easy way back then, but it would also have been the dishonest thing to do. I simply couldn't believe, even at that moment.
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#65
RE: Atheists who become Christians
(December 21, 2014 at 1:03 pm)Nope Wrote: I used to be a Christian. My faith was important to me and something that I took for granted. In my forties, I began to have serious doubts and nothing that I could do would stop those doubts. Actually, at one point in my life I would get down on my face and beg god not to harden my heart. Questioning was traumatic for me and not something I asked to do. Every night I read my bible and my doubts grew.

The final straw came when my adolescent, learning disabled son got his girlfriend pregnant. We had given them birth control because we knew that they were sexually active even though my son-for whatever reason- told us that he wasn't having sex. So yeah, I was disappointed in him and it was that disappointment that clicked something in my head. Never would I want my son to suffer because he upset me. There is nothing that he could do that would make me turn against him. He could try to kill me or hate me and I would still love him and want what was best for him. The god that I worshiped wanted people to go to a place of eternal misery because they didn't love him enough. He was supposed to be a parental figure and yet, I, the faulty human was a far better parent then he was.

At that point, I stopped believing and it stopped hurting that I didn't have belief any longer. So when Drich starts that nonsense about just believing I take offense.

Smile I relate so much to this. I remember when the thought hit me that I could develop a better god based on just my family. That was a big deconversion step.
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#66
RE: Atheists who become Christians
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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#67
RE: Atheists who become Christians
I guess some atheists do have weak minds. I jump to this conclusion after reading many former atheists stories of their conversion and the reasons for them.

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"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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#69
RE: Atheists who become Christians
(December 21, 2014 at 1:58 pm)strawdawg Wrote: Man is a spirit he lives in a body he understands with his soul. You can never understand the things of God with your mind they have to be understood with your heart (spirit). Man is not like other animals that are body only. Man is a spirit man and God like and eternal.

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RE: Atheists who become Christians
(December 21, 2014 at 3:46 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:
(December 21, 2014 at 1:58 pm)strawdawg Wrote: Man is a spirit he lives in a body he understands with his soul. You can never understand the things of God with your mind they have to be understood with your heart (spirit). Man is not like other animals that are body only. Man is a spirit man and God like and eternal.

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We have the claims. Now, once more, we need to wait for the evidence.

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