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RE: “The Problem of Evil” in atheism and in Islam
February 26, 2015 at 9:31 am
Quote:How can I discuss other things when your foundational ideas on evolution are wrong?
Natural selection is a central concept of evolution, which is really a process of elimination.
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection
So which specific part of what I said was wrong?
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RE: “The Problem of Evil” in atheism and in Islam
February 26, 2015 at 10:01 am
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Quote:Evolution's mutation mechanism does not explain how growth of a genome is possible. How can point mutations create new chromosomes or lengthen a strand of DNA?
Duplications, inversions and centromeric fusions do that. It's not point mutations.
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RE: “The Problem of Evil” in atheism and in Islam
February 26, 2015 at 10:35 am
(February 26, 2015 at 9:12 am)Harris Wrote: (February 26, 2015 at 7:53 am)jesus_wept Wrote: I'm confused by this because practically all science is the product of guesswork. I mean what is a hypothesis if not a guess? How do you actually think science works?
Hypothesis become theory when the scientist community test some idea by using conventional scientific methods and confirming the results as positive. However, no matter how many studies had been made and how many experiments but none has given the positive results in favour of fictitious theory of evolution by natural selection.
Trust me the day scientists would discover an authentic evidence in favour of evolution, all atheist would be dancing on the streets. However, theory of evolution by natural selection is an atheist delusion because they are trying to prove something, which is not part of nature.
I think you missed the point entirely there, which is that evolution isnt alone in being based on guesswork. Practically all science is, so saying evolution is guesswork isnt detrimental to it, it's just stating the obvious to anyone who understands science.
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RE: “The Problem of Evil” in atheism and in Islam
February 26, 2015 at 10:41 am
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To say evolution hasn't been established as a theory is to just live in fairy land I'm afraid. I'm very sorry if it interferes with whatever strange ideas you may hold, but it's scientific fact. It doesn't stop being so because a load of people who don't even understand it throw wild allegations around.
If you think you have what it takes to prove it wrong, why don't you take it to the scientific community? You would receive amazing prestige and finally validate your position. But if you just turn up and says it's wrong, with not even an understanding of the theory you are saying is wrong, why should they take you seriously?
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RE: “The Problem of Evil” in atheism and in Islam
February 26, 2015 at 10:50 am
It's the intellectual dishonesty of theists that always gets me. I mean they have no problem not believing in evolution or whatever and try to make out they have a sceptical mind and don't believe things without masses of evidence, but, on the next breath, they then try and peddle you their god nonsense with no supporting evidence whatsoever.
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RE: “The Problem of Evil” in atheism and in Islam
February 26, 2015 at 12:08 pm
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Pretty damn sure Islam is more of a problematic religion now and it needs to go away because you know.... of the problems it is causing to the first world.
Atheism is just a rejection of a god and god(s) there really isn't anything evil about it.
(February 26, 2015 at 10:50 am)jesus_wept Wrote: It's the intellectual dishonesty of theists that always gets me. I mean they have no problem not believing in evolution or whatever and try to make out they have a sceptical mind and don't believe things without masses of evidence, but, on the next breath, they then try and peddle you their god nonsense with no supporting evidence whatsoever.
They have to be dishonest others wise they have no platform or stable grounds for a argument. When they are being dishonest like that they already lost and you don't really need to hear a shoddy rebuttal or anything from them because they will run in circles and not accept that they have lost.
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RE: “The Problem of Evil” in atheism and in Islam
February 26, 2015 at 12:18 pm
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(February 26, 2015 at 9:12 am)Harris Wrote: (February 26, 2015 at 7:47 am)Chas Wrote: No, it's not. The main idea is that imperfect replication and differential reproductive success result in changes in the gene pool.
New information is generated spontaneously by mutation and recombination. The new combinations that are successful survive and contribute in subsequent generations.
Evolution's mutation mechanism does not explain how growth of a genome is possible. How can point mutations create new chromosomes or lengthen a strand of DNA?
Point mutations can't, However, chromosome doubling or duplication can. It's like giving a sculptor a whole new block of marble to chip away at.
(February 26, 2015 at 9:12 am)Harris Wrote: All breeds of dog can still mate with one another. People have not seen any increase in dog's DNA, but have simply selected different genes from the existing dog gene pool to create the different breeds.
It takes perhaps tens of thousands of years of reproductive isolation for genetic drift to make interbreeding difficult or impossible. An interesting case is burrowing animals living on nearby islands that used to be connected. Not being swimmers, an island 50 yards away practically might as well be 500 miles away. Still well-adapted for pretty much an identical environment, natural selection keeps both populations looking pretty much the same. But they can no longer interbreed because of genetic drift. Their genomes have gone different directions despite their superficial similarity.
(February 26, 2015 at 9:12 am)Harris Wrote: Trust me the day scientists would discover an authentic evidence in favour of evolution, all atheist would be dancing on the streets.
The time for dancing in the streets is long past. It has become clear that fundamentalists are immune to any evidence for this theory so long as it continues to not match up with their ancient scriptures. Heck, there are still Imams arguing that the sun revolves around the earth.
(February 26, 2015 at 9:12 am)Harris Wrote: However, theory of evolution by natural selection is an atheist delusion because they are trying to prove something, which is not part of nature.
Most of the people who accept it are not atheists. Darwin was not yet an atheist when he came up with it. Alfred Russel Wallace came up with essentially the same theory independently (Darwin published first) and was not an atheist.
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RE: “The Problem of Evil” in atheism and in Islam
February 28, 2015 at 5:27 pm
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(February 26, 2015 at 6:48 am)Harris Wrote: Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is the product of guesswork. It holds no real essence in terms of practical science. 
Yet you believe in an invisible sky-daddy referenced in ancient bronze age myths with no evidence whatsoever.
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