Questions about noah ark

[dyresand]

Oh fine how did a old man get all that wood for a boat.

Fuck that, I'm still waiting for an answer to why there was light before the sun.

You know how god is being all mysterious and shit. God is not the brightests non existent being in the universe.

[professor]

I had to come back to this one to see where it ended up since this afternoon.

Esq, your definition of faith (believing in spite of evidence) is apparently unique to you guys.
Drich gave you the correct definitions, yet you come up with one that doesn't exist.
Faith is having belief or confidence in something. PERIOD
That includes Atheists.
You have faith in your car.
If that faith was in spite of evidence- you would would be looking for a reliable one to replace it.
I got rid of the lying clunker that the System foisted on me a long time ago.
The purveyors of evolution make the proverbial used car salesmen look like Mother Teresa.
But then again, the only alternative to creation is this stupid theory of evolution.
So people have to live with it and it gets shoved down everybody's throat until some of us look around at reality and vomit it out like the puke that it is.

[goodwithoutgod]

Oh fine how did a old man get all that wood for a boat.

Fuck that, I'm still waiting for an answer to why there was light before the sun.

hehe, one of my favorites..

Genesis 1:16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.

The stars gave light to the earth immediately, although the closest star, Alpha Centauri, is 4.3 light years away. So the very first star light would have taken 4.3 years to reach earth. The light we see from the Andromeda Galaxy takes 2.2 million years to reach earth, which also debunks the argument that the earth is only 6,000-10,000 years old.

[Cyberman]

Duh, light was much faster in the olden days, until it slowed down to its present speed exactly 6000 years ago.

[goodwithoutgod]

I had to come back to this one to see where it ended up since this afternoon.

Esq, your definition of faith (believing in spite of evidence) is apparently unique to you guys.
Drich gave you the correct definitions, yet you come up with one that doesn't exist.
Faith is having belief or confidence in something. PERIOD
That includes Atheists.
You have faith in your car.
If that faith was in spite of evidence- you would would be looking for a reliable one to replace it.
I got rid of the lying clunker that the System foisted on me a long time ago.
The purveyors of evolution make the proverbial used car salesmen look like Mother Teresa.
But then again, the only alternative to creation is this stupid theory of evolution.
So people have to live with it and it gets shoved down everybody's throat until some of us look around at reality and vomit it out like the puke that it is.

no.....no that is not what faith is, unless of course, you wish to make up definitions to go along with your made up.....religion.

Faith - the belief in something without evidence.

Delusion: an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder. A belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.

Religion - The embracement of delusion.

now, the christian courses I took while getting my degree in religious studies liked to spruce it up by saying, "it is the belief in the unseen, unknown, transcendental world beyond man's physical one"....i.e....belief in something without evidence.

[Silver]

No no no.

There is a difference between religious faith and secular faith.

It is possible for a word to have multiple meanings, but I suppose you would rather pick and choose since it is a tactic you learn in relation to scripture.

faith

2.
belief that is not based on proof

Religious faith:
I have faith that god exists.
There is no evidence to support this claim.

faith

1.
confidence or trust in a person or thing

Secular faith:
I have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow.
There is evidence to support that the sun rises daily and, baring the dying of the sun, it will continue to rise each day.

[Esquilax]

I had to come back to this one to see where it ended up since this afternoon.

Esq, your definition of faith (believing in spite of evidence) is apparently unique to you guys.
Drich gave you the correct definitions, yet you come up with one that doesn't exist.
Faith is having belief or confidence in something. PERIOD
That includes Atheists.
You have faith in your car.

That's why we always say that this line of theistic argument is a false equivocation, and not a faulty definition. If you guys want to define faith as just confidence or belief then fine, but you do not then get to equate that kind of faith with the faith of a believer in god, and pretend like they're both equivalent, which is what you and Drich are doing right now.

You can't use a definition of faith that broad when trying to apply it to atheists, and then immediately narrow that definition back down to what we consider religious faith to be, in the space of one sentence, when you want to denigrate atheists for having faith. You've got to stick to the same definition all the way through the argument, which means that at best you now have two kinds of faith at play; the atheist's reasonable confidence in the propositions they believe to be true, based on evidence and probability, and the theist's irrational confidence in propositions that do not have, and actively resist, evidence.

It's just playing a word game, not actually rebutting any of the arguments put against you. Like I said to Drich earlier, asking "if you'll have faith in your car, why not faith in god?" is a completely insane stance to take, because it operates under the pretense that I have as little reason to believe in my car, as I do to believe in god, and that's just not true. I have plenty of evidence to back up the reliability of my car, and no reason at all to believe god even exists.

If that faith was in spite of evidence- you would would be looking for a reliable one to replace it.
I got rid of the lying clunker that the System foisted on me a long time ago.
The purveyors of evolution make the proverbial used car salesmen look like Mother Teresa.
But then again, the only alternative to creation is this stupid theory of evolution.
So people have to live with it and it gets shoved down everybody's throat until some of us look around at reality and vomit it out like the puke that it is.

So... no actual evidence or argument against evolution at all, just more equivocation fallacies? If you have to lie and hedge this much in defense of your beliefs, your beliefs must not be worth very much, "prof".

[Minimalist]

A christian friend sent me that
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I'm detecting a pattern with you. All your friends are idiots.


You should work on that.

[Cato]

So people have to live with it and it gets shoved down everybody's throat until some of us look around at reality and vomit it out like the puke that it is.

You're right. The world should stop shoving religion down people's throats so we can get on with navigating the dangers of reality unencumbered.

[IATIA]

... until some of us look around at reality and vomit it out like the puke that it is.

That explains your need for delusions. If reality is really that distasteful, perhaps you should seek professional help.