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RE: Atheists: have you ever had a religious experience and what did you make of it?
January 21, 2015 at 10:58 am
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Way back, I decided I wanted to be the next William Burroughs. I even had an "Interzone" t-shirt. So I went and very deliberately got addicted to morphine. It turns out that I can write really beautiful stuff in the 'zone, but the price to life just wasn't worth it. I switch to methadone, but that was still slavery. I read about ibogaine and decided to try a related compound. I wanted until I was in withdrawal and dosed. First, the pain went away. Next, it seemed like everything was lit by an inner light. Then I started to realize thing about myself and my surrounding, making connections I'd never seen - delusions of references, partially. Much of it was honestly insightful. Next, a painting I had on my wall, a Mayan style jaguar, became HUGE in my mind. I started to think along with him. He told me that sometimes rationalization is just a lie we tell ourselves to make the world easier to deal with. Humans aren't capable of understanding everything in nature or life - such things are all around us. According to Dreaming Jaguar, it was my nature to rationalize away things, to hide behind them and that if I wished, tomorrow, I could explain everything happening to me now and forget about it, or I could accept a mystery in the universe, an unknown, and cherish it. Then I blacked out, but when I woke up, I was totally free from the addiction, with no withdrawal, and stayed free. He was right, I did rationalize it, but I also cherish the mystery. Cognitive dissonance is a fine wine for a complex mind. Woo or not, getting off junk that easy isn't anything to sniff at.
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RE: Atheists: have you ever had a religious experience and what did you make of it?
January 21, 2015 at 11:01 am
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RE: Atheists: have you ever had a religious experience and what did you make of it?
January 21, 2015 at 11:25 am
(January 21, 2015 at 8:56 am)Alex K Wrote: Ok, prize question: what was the honorable Justice originally talking about? 
Porn.
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RE: Atheists: have you ever had a religious experience and what did you make of it?
January 21, 2015 at 11:31 am
(January 21, 2015 at 10:58 am)tantric Wrote: Way back, I decided I wanted to be the next William Burroughs. I even had an "Interzone" t-shirt. So I went and very deliberately got addicted to morphine. It turns out that I can write really beautiful stuff in the 'zone, but the price to life just wasn't worth it. I switch to methadone, but that was still slavery. I read about ibogaine and decided to try a related compound. I wanted until I was in withdrawal and dosed. First, the pain went away. Next, it seemed like everything was lit by an inner light. Then I started to realize thing about myself and my surrounding, making connections I'd never seen - delusions of references, partially. Much of it was honestly insightful. Next, a painting I had on my wall, a Mayan style jaguar, became HUGE in my mind. I started to think along with him. He told me that sometimes rationalization is just a lie we tell ourselves to make the world easier to deal with. Humans aren't capable of understanding everything in nature or life - such things are all around us. According to Dreaming Jaguar, it was my nature to rationalize away things, to hide behind them and that if I wished, tomorrow, I could explain everything happening to me now and forget about it, or I could accept a mystery in the universe, an unknown, and cherish it. Then I blacked out, but when I woke up, I was totally free from the addiction, with no withdrawal, and stayed free. He was right, I did rationalize it, but I also cherish the mystery. Cognitive dissonance is a fine wine for a complex mind. Woo or not, getting off junk that easy isn't anything to sniff at. That's great that the experience cured you from addiction.  Your description of your conversation with Dreaming Jaguar reminds me of something that happened to me. I was drifting off to sleep and had a conversation with a beautiful light in my mind that seemed to take me outside of reality so that I could see things as they are. The idea that science is just a rationalization to conceal the truth. I was also told that I wouldn't be able to truly remember or understand the truth after I woke-up from the dream (or rather went back to the dream ). I've been meaning to read the Bhagavad Gita. Apparently Arjuna can't remember anything revealed to him by Krishna after his experience.
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RE: Atheists: have you ever had a religious experience and what did you make of it?
January 21, 2015 at 11:34 am
(January 21, 2015 at 10:58 am)tantric Wrote: Way back, I decided I wanted to be the next William Burroughs. I even had an "Interzone" t-shirt. So I went and very deliberately got addicted to morphine. It turns out that I can write really beautiful stuff in the 'zone, but the price to life just wasn't worth it. I switch to methadone, but that was still slavery. I read about ibogaine and decided to try a related compound. I wanted until I was in withdrawal and dosed. First, the pain went away. Next, it seemed like everything was lit by an inner light. Then I started to realize thing about myself and my surrounding, making connections I'd never seen - delusions of references, partially. Much of it was honestly insightful. Next, a painting I had on my wall, a Mayan style jaguar, became HUGE in my mind. I started to think along with him. He told me that sometimes rationalization is just a lie we tell ourselves to make the world easier to deal with. Humans aren't capable of understanding everything in nature or life - such things are all around us. According to Dreaming Jaguar, it was my nature to rationalize away things, to hide behind them and that if I wished, tomorrow, I could explain everything happening to me now and forget about it, or I could accept a mystery in the universe, an unknown, and cherish it. Then I blacked out, but when I woke up, I was totally free from the addiction, with no withdrawal, and stayed free. He was right, I did rationalize it, but I also cherish the mystery. Cognitive dissonance is a fine wine for a complex mind. Woo or not, getting off junk that easy isn't anything to sniff at.
That's probably the most insane thing I've ever heard of, aspiring to be the next William Burroughs. I have to say, though, I like you already.
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RE: Atheists: have you ever had a religious experience and what did you make of it?
January 21, 2015 at 12:01 pm
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The horrible bit about my Burroughs trip is that it *worked*. The stuff I wrote then was better than anything I've ever done. I look at it now and I'm amazed. It really is a literary drug, too bad about the absolutely destruction of the rest of your life.
For amusements, I can tell you about my only DMT experience, which transported me to a world totally without gender and allowed me to discover my penis for the first time. No meaning, but very entertaining. The power of a drug that can cause you to become a completely different person, from a different universe with different memories is frightening.
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RE: Atheists: have you ever had a religious experience and what did you make of it?
January 21, 2015 at 1:51 pm
Dude, you owe that jaguar.
I'm not sure, but it may be a god.
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RE: Atheists: have you ever had a religious experience and what did you make of it?
January 21, 2015 at 2:03 pm
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(January 21, 2015 at 12:01 pm)tantric Wrote: The horrible bit about my Burroughs trip is that it *worked*. The stuff I wrote then was better than anything I've ever done. I look at it now and I'm amazed. It really is a literary drug, too bad about the absolutely destruction of the rest of your life.
For amusements, I can tell you about my only DMT experience, which transported me to a world totally without gender and allowed me to discover my penis for the first time. No meaning, but very entertaining. The power of a drug that can cause you to become a completely different person, from a different universe with different memories is frightening.
I never felt anything but lethargic off of morphine and never really got any creative impulses from it. My best writing was always done on dissociatives and hallucinogens.
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RE: Atheists: have you ever had a religious experience and what did you make of it?
January 21, 2015 at 9:31 pm
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Well I was raised Catholic if that's what you mean
I was questioning it even as a kid though. Was wondering why they were reading us this fantasy-genre book, and talking about it like it was something that was supposed to be real.
I mean don't insult my intelligence. I might have been 5, but I knew if you attempt to walk on water, you fall in. Pfft.
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RE: Atheists: have you ever had a religious experience and what did you make of it?
January 21, 2015 at 10:01 pm
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(January 21, 2015 at 9:31 pm)NuclearJaguar Wrote: Well I was raised Catholic if that's what you mean
I was questioning it even as a kid though. Was wondering why they were reading us this fantasy-genre book, and talking about it like it was something that was supposed to be real.
I mean don't insult my intelligence. I might have been 5, but I knew if you attempt to walk on water, you fall in. Pfft.
I remember this vast feeling of confusion upon trying to explain to myself how God could know everything, and still make humans imperfect, and then kill them, etc.
I didn't know what virgin meant, but the whole Mary thing was really suspicious. Women don't just get magically pregnant. Derp.
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