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RE: Evidence God Exists
September 21, 2011 at 1:24 am
Quote:There is no way a god can exist.
That's a positive claim,and attracts the burden of proof. Let's see your proof.
I assert I do not believe due to lack of credible evidence. As unlikely as I think it may be, the Abrahamic God may be real. Like Dawkins, I'm about a 6.9/7 sure he is not,but not certain because I cannot prove god does not exist.
Absence of evidence is not proof of the nonexistence of a god of any kind.However, I think it's a fairly strong indicator for the nonexistence of the Abrahamic God with his ascribed [and mutually exclusive] infinite qualities.
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RE: Evidence God Exists
September 21, 2011 at 5:51 am
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RE: Evidence God Exists
September 21, 2011 at 8:32 am
(September 21, 2011 at 1:24 am)padraic Wrote: Quote:There is no way a god can exist.
That's a positive claim,and attracts the burden of proof. Let's see your proof.
I assert I do not believe due to lack of credible evidence. As unlikely as I think it may be, the Abrahamic God may be real. Like Dawkins, I'm about a 6.9/7 sure he is not,but not certain because I cannot prove god does not exist.
Absence of evidence is not proof of the nonexistence of a god of any kind.However, I think it's a fairly strong indicator for the nonexistence of the Abrahamic God with his ascribed [and mutually exclusive] infinite qualities.
A beginning is necessary which makes god caused. This god had to have a first action or first thought. What caused this first action or first thought?
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RE: Evidence God Exists
September 21, 2011 at 11:51 am
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(September 21, 2011 at 8:32 am)IATIA Wrote: (September 21, 2011 at 1:24 am)padraic Wrote: Quote:There is no way a god can exist.
That's a positive claim,and attracts the burden of proof. Let's see your proof.
I assert I do not believe due to lack of credible evidence. As unlikely as I think it may be, the Abrahamic God may be real. Like Dawkins, I'm about a 6.9/7 sure he is not,but not certain because I cannot prove god does not exist.
Absence of evidence is not proof of the nonexistence of a god of any kind.However, I think it's a fairly strong indicator for the nonexistence of the Abrahamic God with his ascribed [and mutually exclusive] infinite qualities.
A beginning is necessary which makes god caused. This god had to have a first action or first thought. What caused this first action or first thought?
A beginning is necessary? Yet another positive claim, what if God does not have a cause? It would be the black duck that proves your statement wrong. Also due to the casimer effect there are particles coming into being that appear to have no cause.
(September 21, 2011 at 1:24 am)padraic Wrote: Quote:There is no way a god can exist.
That's a positive claim,and attracts the burden of proof. Let's see your proof.
I assert I do not believe due to lack of credible evidence. As unlikely as I think it may be, the Abrahamic God may be real. Like Dawkins, I'm about a 6.9/7 sure he is not,but not certain because I cannot prove god does not exist.
Absence of evidence is not proof of the nonexistence of a god of any kind.However, I think it's a fairly strong indicator for the nonexistence of the Abrahamic God with his ascribed [and mutually exclusive] infinite qualities.
Great points Pad. I feel the same way and try to avoid burdening myself by making positive claims about God. I will assert that I have stopped scanning the sky looking for teapots. There might be one, but since there is no proof that it has any effect on my life, I don't worry about it.
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RE: Evidence God Exists
September 21, 2011 at 11:55 am
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You mean the abrahamic god may exist, less all the stories of his actions and dealings......and so how is this the abrahamic god again? You mean a god that didn't create us in a garden with a talking snake, nor banish us out to the wilds, nor flood the earth, nor lead the jews out of egypt, or establish the davidic kingdom? Sure, some god, not the abrahamic god (or any other ever I've ever heard described). We've had to bend the concept of god so hard it's just flat out broken. That's my two cents.
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RE: Evidence God Exists
September 21, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Rhythm, you sound like a theological noncognitivist.
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RE: Evidence God Exists
September 21, 2011 at 3:11 pm
It's a position you trend towards when you deal with many religious people with many different interpretations, none of which mean anything at all (beyond whatever the faithful have written over or under their theology).
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RE: Evidence God Exists
September 21, 2011 at 7:07 pm
(September 21, 2011 at 11:51 am)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: A beginning is necessary? Yet another positive claim, what if God does not have a cause? It would be the black duck that proves your statement wrong. Also due to the casimer effect there are particles coming into being that appear to have no cause.
Just because we do not know the cause, does not mean there is none. But, If it did appear with no cause, then so did the universe, no god.
if god is finite, then there is a beginning. If god is infinite, then so would thoughts and actions of this god and that is an impossibility as nothing, not even a god can traverse an infinity, even in thought.
This god's thoughts then must be finite and have a beginning which puts us back at what caused the first thought?
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RE: Evidence God Exists
September 21, 2011 at 7:34 pm
(September 21, 2011 at 7:07 pm)IATIA Wrote: (September 21, 2011 at 11:51 am)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: A beginning is necessary? Yet another positive claim, what if God does not have a cause? It would be the black duck that proves your statement wrong. Also due to the casimer effect there are particles coming into being that appear to have no cause.
Just because we do not know the cause, does not mean there is none. But, If it did appear with no cause, then so did the universe, no god.
if god is finite, then there is a beginning. If god is infinite, then so would thoughts and actions of this god and that is an impossibility as nothing, not even a god can traverse an infinity, even in thought.
This god's thoughts then must be finite and have a beginning which puts us back at what caused the first thought?
God is defined as being causless so there you have it. There is no way to positively disprove god through logic, much like you can't prove God through logic. Your argument is much like the theist's argument for God that nothing can come from nothing. You are, in fact, stateing that nothing can be without a beginning and applying it to God. You further go on to say that nothing can traverse infinity. So...
Substantiate your positive claims with evidence please.
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RE: Evidence God Exists
September 21, 2011 at 7:49 pm
(September 21, 2011 at 7:34 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Substantiate your positive claims with evidence please.
Would not god be finite OR infinite?
yes or no?
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