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dyresand · January 27, 2015 at 11:07 pm

Lets put it into perspective. God essentially fuck up when "creating" us. And i am using it lightly because i don't believe that. So god impregnates a 14 year old girl and that being said he turned into said person jesus christ. Well we know how this would go if it was a episode of Maury. Anyways a 14 year old girl and god being obviously really old is and yes god is a pedo. Anyways back on topic why would god need to sacrifice himself/son because he is dying for himself to please himself. That in a way is like spiritual masturbation.. does god have a kink for being tortured and watching people be tortured and suffer. Back on track god died for himself so then in turn you guys go and praise him/jesus to get into heaven. Doesn't putting all your sin on someone who probably doesn't exist is kinda fucked up i mean you should held accountable for your own "sins" and explain to god why you did such things instead of putting it on a spiritual punching. That is all.

**Minimalist** · January 27, 2015 at 11:14 pm

It's been reduced to this:

Chad32 · January 27, 2015 at 11:16 pm

It only makes sense in a culture that values blood sacrifice and scapegoating. Most good people in modern society would at least feel bad about the idea of an innocent person paying for their misdeeds, but when the punishment is an eternity in fiery torment you pretty much have to take the one way out.

Nothing about it really makes sense, or sits well with my morals, which is why I know I can't be a christian. If you don't accept that part, you can't really call yourself a christian, right?

dyresand · January 27, 2015 at 11:22 pm

(January 27, 2015 at 11:16 pm)Chad32 Wrote: It only makes sense in a culture that values blood sacrifice and scapegoating. Most good people in modern society would at least feel bad about the idea of an innocent person paying for their misdeeds, but when the punishment is an eternity in fiery torment you pretty much have to take the one way out.

Nothing about it really makes sense, or sits well with my morals, which is why I know I can't be a christian. If you don't accept that part, you can't really call yourself a christian, right?

Even when i was a christian child i was like no... i won't put my sins on jesus i am better than that if so called god is my father in heaven ill own up and confess i don't want to put my sins and or guilt onto something or someone like that Its wrong its morally wrong.

Chad32 · January 27, 2015 at 11:25 pm

I'm not sure exactly wha i thougth of that when i was really young. Actually I was probably your typical self centered kid, at least to an extent. It already happened, so nothing I could do about it, so don't worry too much about it. Especially since he came back to life anyway, so it's cool.

Except that later I came to a better understanding of what justice is, and what sacrifice means, and it stopped making sense.

dyresand · January 27, 2015 at 11:31 pm

Exactly with something like a free get out of hell card exists you can be the most horrible individual the world has ever known and get away with a lot because the of the whole
jesus card. And i'm like no.... this is wrong...

Chad32 · January 27, 2015 at 11:33 pm

You can find a passage to justify just about anything. Hitler most likely believed he was doing the lord's work as a catholic, and if anything was going to keep him out of heaven it would be his suicide more than the genocide. Or you can be a godless heathen psycho for your life, say the right things before you croak, and you're still in.

dyresand · January 28, 2015 at 12:02 am

Suicide is a forgivable sin just like any other sin i looked it up. It really doesn't matter at all you can just put that sin on jesus and keep moving on.

**robvalue** · January 28, 2015 at 2:44 am

The most important lesson jesus taught me is to always keep examining my assumptions. The bastard caught me out for over 30 years. Cheeky little zombie.

Norman Humann · January 28, 2015 at 5:20 am

(January 28, 2015 at 12:02 am)dyresand Wrote: Suicide is a forgivable sin just like any other sin i looked it up. It really doesn't matter at all you can just put that sin on jesus and keep moving on.

OK, but how do you get to confession once you're dead?

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